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Wife won't delete recordings

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by timckelley, Jun 3, 2003.

  1. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

    Dec 1, 2000
    Silicon Valley
    Yeah… I agree. That's probably not gonna happen. Hoarders don't typically give up anything unless they are forced to or it's causing them some type of hardship. As it is, most of the hassle is falling on you. She can basically just keep doing what she's always done with no repercussions. It's like the 600 lb. people who can't get out of bed. Somebody is bringing them food… In this case it's you.

    If you really want something about this to change (and I'm not saying you do), it's going to have to come from you and she's going to have to get real about her hoarding issues. Of course, there are far more harmful things in life than digital hoarding, and I understand wanting to help your wife and keep the peace, but that's the reality in my opinion.
  2. unitron

    unitron Active Member

    Apr 28, 2006
    semi-coastal NC
    More than ever, I'm convinced she's related to my mom.
  3. Lensman

    Lensman Member

    Dec 22, 2001
    Hoboken, NJ...
    Have you considered going to an Unraid box? It sounds like you're savvy enough to enjoy the hobbyist aspect of building your own box and adding drives as you need them. This latter "user upgradeability" with consumer HDDs and the support for HDDs of different sizes makes this a *great* solution for digital hoarders.

    I am at 18TB but when I get free weekend I need to put my new Unraid box together and move all the drives over to utilize my 3 new 4TB drives.

    It seems amazing that I'm well into the second decade of lurking in your thread. It might be the longest serial thread I've ever participated in!
  4. ooMikeo

    ooMikeo New Member

    Jan 2, 2009
  5. terpfan1980

    terpfan1980 It's Just TV TCF Club

    Jan 28, 2002
    Xbox Live:...
    Considering how many hours a 1TB drive holds on a TiVo Premiere XL (just in HD programming, not even considering what it would hold in SD content), if your wife filled a 3TB drive and hasn't actually consumed that content then as others have said here, you have a serious problem -- or should I say that your wife has a serious problem here.

    30 years out she's never going to watch the content that she's holding on to, and you're going to have kept tossing hardware at the problem because you love her and storage is cheaper than the argument or disappointment over the loss, but seriously this is the kind of thing that people typically are sent to help to get past.

    I'm bad at hoarding things digital/electronic, but after a while, it just becomes more stuff that is not needed. Eventually you might have that light bulb go off for your wife, but for as long as you keep trying to keep it from being an issue the underlying problem isn't going to be addressed.

    Continued best wishes to you (now, tell me again who you are buying drives from so I can purchase some shares of stock in that company since you'll be a customer for years to come :p :D )
  6. timckelley

    timckelley Top most important TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    Austin, TX
    Well my wife has been acknowledging lately that she spends too much time managing her TiVo recordings, and she's said several times I should move forward with my idea of axing Time Warner and setting up OTA in our house (possibly supplemented with other programming like netflix, amazon, hulu, etc).

    I finally got around to ordering a Venturer digital converter which arrived yesterday... I wanted to set it up on one of our S2s to make sure I know how to do it, and that it will work. I just completed the programming of the converter, and the guided setup of the S2, and I think it works perfectly. (channel changing is not as instantaneous as with cable, but I understand that's normal - still just take a couple of seconds or so.) I was pretty surprised that we pick up 18 OTA channels quite clearly. I'm not sure how many of those are good/useful channels...for example a few are in spanish.

    I'd love the idea of saving $ by getting rid of Time Warner and am completely on board with this notion. One thing I worry about: my wife has been more heavily in the business of archiving shows than actually watching them, though she certainly does watch TV. Cable works well for archivers, because TiVo will record those shows. But I don't think netflix, amazon, or hulu will let you archive. I did explain to her that those places have their own complete archive that we can dip into whenever needed, so no need for us to archive... they've already done it for us. I hope she can grok this philosophy.

    Meanwhile, she can continue to archive OTA shows, and among our 18 channels, there could be a fair amount of worthy content among them. If we really move forward with this, I need to buy a certain amount of (reasonably cheap) equipment.

    We have 5 TVs (2 of them HD), and 5 TiVos (2 of them capable of recording in HD format and have built in OTA tuners). I own one cheap rabbit ears antenna, and as of yesterday, one digital converter box (which I got used for $23 from ebay, free shipping, brand name = Venturer).

    So I still need:

    4 more antenna (I quickly found some for < $8 free shipping, and for I know, there might be better deals than that out there)
    2 more digital converter boxes

    But I'd be annoyed if I bought all this, canceled our Time Warner account, and then my wife says we really need to go back to cable.

    I also told her that if I call to cancel, I expect they'll probably try to talk me out of it, and make an offer to lower our cable bill if we don't leave. It kind of sounds like my wife would consider such an offer if it were low enough. But I'd never call to cancel on a bluff - if I call, I'm calling because I'm willing to cancel.

    So that bring up another problem. What if I buy the above equipment so that I'll be ready for the OTA transition, then call to cancel, they offer an aggressive deal for me to stay, my wife wants to take the deal, and then I'm stuck with this wasted equipment I just bought.

    I wonder if I could call to cancel as of some future effective date to give me time to acquire the equipment, so that if we change our mind and don't quit cable, I have the option not to buy the equipment.

    I may be worrying about nothing, because I think one reason the OTA attracts my wife is because the amount of recordable content won't be so massively huge, and she feels like it'll induce her to spend less time recording stuff.
  7. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

    Dec 1, 2000
    Silicon Valley
    Hey you never know. Cutting the cord might be just thing to help her break free of her habitual archiving. Your last sentence kind of makes me think even your wife is getting a little sick of the habit. If it doesn't work out you can always go back /shrug. All you'll be out is a little time. If it cures or lessens the effects of the hoarding, it'll be worth it.
  8. MauriAnne

    MauriAnne Mostly lurking

    Sep 20, 2002
    My dad has Time Warner and I was helping him with a problem. As I was researching, one of the things I read said you got the best deals from TWC if you cancelled with an effective date in the future. The post said that gave them time to contact you and make you better offers than the normal retention folks who answered the phone. And apparently, they're happy if you call to un-cancel as well in case the equipment doesn't work or your wife gets cold feet.
  9. timckelley

    timckelley Top most important TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    Austin, TX
    So, I could have this all put in motion, and then I go to order the equipment, and a few days later, but before the termination date is reached, I get a call from TWC with an offer, but I've already ordered the equipment. I guess this could still be the same type of problem I was worried about. I was assuming that by the conclusion of my phone call, I'd know if we're really cancelling or not, but it sounds like with future termination dates, I can't assume that.

    I did tell my wife this morning that our kitchen TiVo is all set up with OTA, and I was hoping to get impressions from her on how much she likes it, and if it's okay to set up the whole house like that. She apparently doesn't have time to learn how to use it (not that it takes much training... I tried to show her the dashes in the channel numbers, but she didn't have time to listen to that), she told me to talk to her about it this evening.

    Maybe when she thinks about it, she'll say to cut TWC counteroffer or no counteroffer, which would simplify things. Actually I need to figure out if I'm under a contract first... I don't think I am, but I'm not positive.

    Actually I do have a bundled deal of internet + cable, and my idea is to go to internet only. Maybe they'll somewhat raise my cable price for not being in a bundle anymore, which I guess is okay, since our monthly bill will still drop, but if they charge too much for internet, I'll shop elsewhere for good internet deals. I'd prefer cable based internet though, because it works better with our ooma telephone.
  10. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

    Jan 2, 2004
    so what happened? Have you cut TWC? Does your wife archive less? Is she in withdrawal?
  11. sushikitten

    sushikitten 143 down, ??? to go! TCF Club

    Jan 27, 2005
    DC-ish Suburbia
    Or are you planning on buying the new TiVo mega?
  12. timckelley

    timckelley Top most important TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    Austin, TX
    To recall all the stuff that happened:

    TWC made me a counteroffer when I told them I was cutting them, and their offer was even lower than AT&T's deal. (I was going to cut Time Warner totally: internet and TV, and get AT&T internet.) Meanwhile, we did a free trial subscription of Netflix, and my wife did watch a fair amount of it.

    When the trial ended, I asked her if she liked it enough stop the cable TV. She started balking, and said there were channels she didn't want to lose. Many times, I've mention ed that when you switch packages, you lose some channels but gain others, and hopefully the others would have content she'd enjoy as much, plus if Netflix doesn't, there's Hulu and other sources.

    Meanwhile, the counteroffer I got from Time Warner was for internet plus analog only TV for a very low price, and when my wife heard that, and realized the channels she likes are mostly available on analog, she wanted to go that route.

    I personally hate watching analog, but I was already on board with going OTA only, so what I did is hookup my small set top $8 antenna, one I've had for years, to my TV only (not hers), and we went with the counteroffer, not renewing netflix. As most shows I watch are available OTA, I'm getting the HD quality I like through my antenna, but my wife is putting up with lower quality, but she's never minded that.

    One thing that went to waste is that as I was preparing for the transition, I had gotten a good deal on an attic antenna, which I tested and works great. My plan (which I got assistance on in a different TCF thread) was to run a cable from it to my outside cable box, and have every TV in the house given access to this antenna. But without dropping Time Warner cable, I'd have to co-mingle a TW signal with an OTA signal on the same coax network[1], which I hear is a difficult proposition, so my attic antenna is sitting up there unused. :( Maybe one day my wife will eventually agree to drop Time Warner, at which time I can put this attic antenna into service.

    As for archiving, I do think she's archiving less than she used to (but she still archives). She also seems to watch more TV she used to watch.

    [1]Even if we keep Time Warner roadrunner internet and drop cable TV, the attic antenna will still work. I can open the cable box on my outside wall, and run the TW signal to my study, avoiding all the splitters in that box, then configure the splitters so that all the other coax ports on on the coax network, separate from the internet signal, so no co-mingling need occur. A sticky point though is that I'm using MOCA to distribute my internet signal, so under this setup MOCA won't work, so maybe I'd want to run some ethernet wire from my study's router to other rooms, and dump the MOCA. I'd have to do a fair amount of crawling around in the attic, but maybe it would be worth it.

    To be honest, I've not heard of this device. But I don't think we're going to buy any more TiVos anytime soon, as we already have 5 TiVos in the house.
  13. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

    May 14, 2013
  14. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    Wait, do you really mean analog? Nowadays? I like(d) the "just split the cable" factor of analog, and analog degradation is much better..
  15. unitron

    unitron Active Member

    Apr 28, 2006
    semi-coastal NC

    Is that just channels 2-13 analog, or from 2 up into the '70s or '80s with all your local broadcasters plus some non-broadcast stuff like USA or TNT?

    And if you don't want to post it here, could you PM me what you're paying for that package? TWC has decided that we're made of magically replicating solid gold and that they need to be shaving even more off of us each month, and I need some leverage.
  16. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

    May 14, 2013
    I wouldn't think in this day and age any cable channel still broadcasted in analog. I feel sick now.
  17. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

    Jul 6, 2006
    Dayton OH
    It's still commonly done on TWC systems -- I'm surprised too. In the 6 Mhz bandwidth required for an analog channel they could do 2 HD and 2 SD digital channels.
    The analog channels on TWC are 2 thru roughly 70 and include a lot of cable-only programming.
  18. timckelley

    timckelley Top most important TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    Austin, TX
    I now get channels at least up to the 70's (though I could swear there are some in the 80's, but now quite sure if it goes up that far). This includes the Disney Channel, which my wife really didn't want to lose, and it also includes ESPN, which is kind of nice.

    I was paying, including taxes, fees and everything, for my internet and cable TV a total of $114.08 per month, but now it's only $76.62
  19. Fofer

    Fofer XenForo Rocks!

    Oct 29, 2000
  20. thewebgal

    thewebgal MacAphile AV geek

    Aug 10, 2007
    DC 'burbs
    Don't cut the recordings, cut the husband!

    Get a computer with a really big raid/hard drive, copy all the recordings to the computer,
    set up Streambaby so they can be played back from the computer,
    and WIPE the TIVO drive so you can start fresh!

    My Roamio with a 3TB drive had 300+ hours of HD recording capability ...
    if you are doing Standard Def recordings, its probably something like a Thousand hours capability ...!

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