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Wife won't delete recordings

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by timckelley, Jun 3, 2003.

  1. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    On the back where the power cord plugs in there's a sticker and the model number is on that sticker and if it's a TiVo brand TiVo that number will start with TCD (and if the next three characters are 649 I may have to hate you) and if you tell us what it is we can see about getting it running again.

    In the meantime, go read the IDE/SATA adapter thread

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=416883


    because S2s are set up to use IDE drives but you can get a lot more GB/$ with SATA drives these days, and I'll bet if you get a twinbreeze bracket from weaKnees and put two 1TB drives in there she'll have all 2TB filled in short order.

    It could be that the drive is okay but (due to "capacitor plague") the power supply isn't quite up to providing enough current for everything at once.

    Don't actually spend any money until after we talk again.


    (I think your wife and my mom must be related)
     
  2. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

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    Well the TiVo I need to repair is model TCD140060, and my other S2s are models TCD540040 and TCD240080. Does anybody know if either of those two have compatible images to the TCD140060, or do I need to look elsewhere for a fresh image?

    I'm probably jumping the gun though, because I haven't verified if the hard drive is bad. I'm thinking as a first diagnostic step, I should pull out the hard drive and mount it in my Windows XP computer (which has an IDE motherboard in it), and run a hard drive diagnostic utility to see if the hard drive is good or not.

    According to This site, this S2 I just got is the first S2 model ever made.

    Edit: I'm confused, because the above site says this model comes with a 60 GB hard drive. Yet I could swear the first S2 I ever bought had a 40 GB drive. Yet they claim this is the first S2 model? :confused:

    More bad news: I'm looking around my house for spare hard drives, and so far I'm just finding a 20 GB and a 40 GB, which I guess are pretty puny. OTOH, my wife didn't act like she wanted this TiVo to store a bunch of shows on, but mainly to have some kind of timeshifting ability in the kitchen. IOW, not her normal hoarding, but merely taimeshifting.

    Edit2: I talked to my wife, and even a 40 GB drive, which would give her 40 hours at basic quality (IIRC) is more than satisfactory to her. She claims she just wants it to be able to hold a couple of shows on it.
     
  3. Fofer

    Fofer XenForo Rocks! TCF Club

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    Yes, but she is a digital hoarder. I recommend you plan ahead.
     
  4. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

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    Well, I opened it up. As the link above says, it has a 60GB Western Digital hard drive, and stamped on it is "June 13, 2002". Maybe this thing is older than the owner claimed. I will say it's really clean inside with no dust at all anywhere that I see.

    I suppose I could put something bigger than my 40 GB drive in it, but if I can quickly get it working, I'll feel better about knowing what fair price I should pay the girl that lent it to me. I can always upgrade later if I need to.
     
  5. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

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    Wow, it just turns out that I already have a DOS bootable flash drive that tests western digital hard drives. I think I'll use it now to test this drive.

    Edit: Darn, the one computer I need to use to test the HD (because it has an IDE motherboard) is the same one that runs pyTiVo, and my wife has it busy right now transferring stuff. With her queue, it'll be tomorrow before I can resume work on this. :( Oh well.
     
  6. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

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    I found these quotes from a 7.5 year old thread:

    Earlier in that thread, they say if the first three digits are different, you're out of luck, but this guy talks about v7.1 or later. I should look at my TCD240 TiVo that I have to verify if the version is v7.1 or later (which given that thread is 7.5 years old, I'd think that I'm okay). It sounds like I'm in luck, and can use that image. :cool: :up:
     
  7. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

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    Say, if I do get this thing fixed for free, do you people think I should still offer $50 to her, which was her full asking price? She did advertise it as working, which it isn't, so I could certainly argue it's worth less, and she seems to be negotiable given it's condition and willing to basically collect from me whatever I say it's worth, but if $50 was underpriced to begin with, and having a bad hard drive is still worth the $50, then I don't want to short change her, and I'll still pay her $50.

    I guess my question is: what is a reasonable market value for a lifetimed TiVo that's got a bad hard drive? If those go for $50, then I'll probably pay her $50. But I'm not going higher than that, because $50 was her original asking price. However, if the true market value is less than $50, I may consider offering her whatever that market value is.
     
  8. Fofer

    Fofer XenForo Rocks! TCF Club

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    Give her $25 and call it a day.
     
  9. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

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    Wow, I just found a hard drive lying around I forgot I had, which is 320 GB: much bigger than the other two. But it's SATA, so I'd have to install some kind of adapter to get it to work. I guess I can try that, but it likely won't happen today, as I own no such adapter.
     
  10. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

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    I'm getting very frustrated, because I've spent most of today simply trying to create a bootable CD with disk utilities on it. I preferred a flash drive, but for some reason I can't get my Windows XP computer to boot to a USB drive.

    I got it to boot to a DOS bootable CD, but if I try to include drive diagnostics, it no longer will boot. Then I thought to boot to the DOS only CD, and swap CDs to one that contains the diagnostics (as once it boots to CD, it won't recognize the flash drive), but now it won't boot to any CD for some wierd reason.

    I've tried switching to a R/W CD after wasting 3 read-onlies, but I get the error message "Unit not ready", and can't burn an ISO to it.

    I guess now I'm off to google what that means.

    This is just a sampling of what I've gone through today, spending hours getting nowhere on this. I guess I'm not really an expert of how to make bootable CDs or flash drives and have to rely on google, and google hasn't really come through for me today.
     
  11. timckelley

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    I downloaded some program called WinISO that lets me add files to ISOs, so I added the drive diagnostics. Several CDs later, they all failed either because the CDs were unreadable, or there is a bad or missing command interpreter.

    But looking at the ISO file on my hard drive (before burning), I don't see any COMMAND.COM, which makes me think the ISO file itself (which I downloaded from internet) is insufficient. It's chock filled with DOS utilities, but the most important one: command.com is missing. I guess now I'll look elsewhere for a better ISO file.

    I worry that this entire day will come and go with me making no progress, while I have many other household duties that are getting neglected.

    Edit: no, command.com is there now. :confused: It wasn't before, I could swear.
     
  12. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

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    I can't believe, I finally get it to boot to a DOS CD, and the drive diagnostic that I added to the ISO prior to burning are mysteriously missing from the CD. :( :(
     
  13. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Yes, tivo merged the software at some point so that 140s and 240s use the same software. Considering that the S1s ended on v7.3 it would be unlikely that a working 240 isn't at least as current as the S1 software.
    The replacement drive will have to be be at least 80gb because that's what's in a 240080, unless the 240 was upgraded from a 240040 image.
     
  14. unitron

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    Your cd burning software should have a "burn as an image" option, which will let you make a bootable copy of the Ultimate Boot CD from the free .iso as well as a bootable copy of the MFS LIve cd v1.4 .iso

    The UBCD has drive diagnostic programs from all the major brands to check the drive itself.

    The MFS Live cd has

    pdisk -l /dev/whicheverdriveistheTiVoone

    to check the partition layout

    and

    mfsinfo /dev/whicheverdriveistheTiVoone

    to check the MFS partitions

    and WinMFS, running on XP SP3 or later, also has a version of

    mfsinfo

    that can reveal problems with the TiVo software on the drive.


    Go here:

    http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html

    go to the bottom where it says mirror sites and click on one of the old-style drive icons.


    and for MFS Live, click this

    http://mfslive.org/forums/download/file.php?id=89


    Recent-ish 140 image usable with WinMFS

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49887720/140_gset.tbk

    That 240 image will probably work on a big enough drive, and if it's not new enough


    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49887720/240_gset.bak


    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49887720/240_GSet.tbk


    Remember, .tbk files have to be restored with WinMFS
    (if you don't already have winmfs.exe on that XP machine, PM me)


    and .bak files are for restoring with the MFS Live cd.

    Back during the single tuner S2 era, Maxtor was making drives with a few more bytes than the competition for a given size, and some of those drives got used in TiVos, so an image from, for example, the 80GB Maxtor that came in my 240 won't fit on an 80GB WD or Seagate, so there's that to worry about.

    As to which IDE/SATA adapter is needed for that particular S2, there seems to be some uncertainty as to whether it has to be a Marvell chipset based one, like the S1s, or whether, like the later S2s, it can use either a Marvell based or a JMicron based.

    I've got a 140 I can experiment on if I can find a working SATA drive around here.

    Now, in case the problem isn't the drive, do you have a voltmeter?
     
  15. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

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    So I thought I'd try putting hte diagnostics on a separate CD so I could swap them. (Boot to one, use another to run diagnostics.) But I get "General Failure reading drive A". It seems it will only read the disc I boot to.

    It's weird: I insert the CD in a different computer, and I see all files just fine, but in the XP computer, it seems them all except the ones I added (the drive diagnostics). I'm having trouble thinking of anything more to try.
     
  16. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

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    Also, I wonder why my later model e-machines computer will boot to my flash drive, but the older model won't. The BIOS lists it as a bootable drive. It already has my drive utilities and DOS in bootable form, so it would be easy and convenient if I could boot to it.

    I'd just use my later model e-machines to do this, but it's motherboard is a SATA motherboard, so I'd like to use the other one.
     
  17. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Just use the UBCD on the PC with IDE.
     
  18. trip1eX

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    Reminds me of my Dad. He'd watch his fav shows. Then he got a VCR. And then at first occasionally recorded those fav shows when he otherwise couldn't watch them. He started to fall behind though and eventually was recording everything and watching nothing. It was a vicious circle. The more he recorded stuff so he (could) go back and catch up the bigger the pile got which only increased the odds he'd ever go back. I guess he didn't want to admit defeat. And so it became a running joke.

    And in his garage somewhere sits a few large boxes of VCR tapes with every episode of Dallas, Falcon Crest, Dynasty and a few other shows like Dukes of Hazzard starting somewhere after the first few years those shows started airing because even 5-10 years after those shows stopped airing he wouldn't let anyone record on those tapes.
     
  19. unitron

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    Should have bought him a second VCR, although that might have led to tying up both machines recording. :rolleyes:

    But that's one of the big advantages of the TiVo--you can tie up as many tuners as it has and still watch something you already recorded.
     
  20. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

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    Thank you; I'm attempting this now, but I think I clicked on the wrong button and some software got installed that I didn't want.
     

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