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Wife won't delete recordings

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by timckelley, Jun 3, 2003.

  1. ac3dd

    ac3dd New Member

    Mar 2, 2002
    Putting mutually desired programs on both does use up some more space, but it solves many of the conflicting scenarios. Remember that once the first one of you watches a program, it gets deleted from that particular box so it's not as if it's taking up double the space forever. And if you watch it together, deleting it frees up twice the space :D. If you put the commonly wanted shows on just one box, you're back to the original problem again.

    Similarly, having two cars instead of one will cost you more in gas and insurance (in addition to the obvious cost of the car itself), but if the scheduling and locations of your workplaces and other activities are quite disparate, the extra car goes a long way in reducing the location and timing conflicts.
  2. gobiewankenobi

    gobiewankenobi MayTheTivoBeWithYou!

    Jun 17, 2003
    Not to sound archaic, but give her a good vcr. It sounds like her viewing habits would be better supported by that than the Tivo.
    1. It sounds like she knows what she wants to tape.
    2. She pretty much knows when it's on.
    3. She doesn't have the time to watch it right away.
    4. She plans on putting the shows on tape anyway.
    Keep the stuff you want to watch and both of you want to watch on the Tivo.
  3. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    No, actually my wife has good points about why she likes TiVo better than VCR.

    1. Often the VCR misses her show due to last minute program changes
    2. She can more easily control which shows, and in which order they go on tape. She likes to put similar things on the same tape. I suppose she could keep her tapes labled, so she'd know which tape to put in for recording, but that doesn't solve the ordering problem within a tape.
    3. If a tape runs to the end (which heppens more than you'd think) during a recording, she'd be out of luck if it wasn't on TiVo. With TiVo she can restart the show and put in a new tape.
    4. Some shows she really intends to watch and not put to tape.... she just hasn't gotten around to it.
  4. saintpuhn

    saintpuhn New Member

    Apr 12, 2003
    these recordings are movies? netflix?
  5. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    Some are movies; some are series.
  6. teknikel

    teknikel Member

    Jan 27, 2002
    Anything you want to see you should record on yours. You won't run out of space as soon as she would. And you have more control of what you want to watch. If you guys have more than 40 hours of stuff you both want to watch and you have 40 hrs of stuff just you want to watch, then lord help you.

  7. gschoen

    gschoen New Member

    Jan 27, 2002
    Can this thread really have gone on this long??? Don't use KUID at all - whatever is oldest will be deleted when space is needed. If you haven't watched it yet, you were probably watching programs that were more desirable to you instead. And if it does get deleted, oh well. It's TV, that's why we have reruns. The Tivo is supposed to make TV revolve around your schedule, not you around TVs. I don't ever expect to watch most of the 130 hrs currently on my Tivo. If you don't have time to watch all the programs it's probably because you have a life and something better to be doing and should be happy. You can take satisfaction every time Tivo deletes something that it's validating you have a life other than TV. Perhaps for every 100 deletions, you can throw a "I have a life other than TV party."

    Okay just kidding. But does your wife really thing she'll ever be able to watch all those 100s of video tapes? If this is a big issue between you then look out for what's to come!
  8. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    I have not been able to talk my wife out of using KUID. She really does think she'll eventually see all the old recordings - that or offload them to tape. By the way, even though it's an 80 hour TiVo, that's at basic quality. The time length goes way down for higher qualities. As for, does she think she'll see all 100 video tapes? Possibly not, but everything that sits on TiVo, she either wants to see or offload. But she won't say when she'll do it, because of the other things that keep her busy. Therefore: KUID. She stands by that decision.

    By the way, our suggestions folder now hovers around zero, because of how filled up our TiVo is. And only a few shows sit without KUID (mostly mine). The good news is, when I come downstairs to watch TiVo late at night, and find no suggestions to watch, nor any new episodes of my limited list, often I can find one of my wife's shows to entertain me. (Our tastes have some overlap.) At least my wife's list of shows has not stagnated, because she is watching/offloading/deleting.... it's just that her ToDo list replaces what she deletes fairly promptly, not leaving me much room for any To Do list of my own.
  9. Thom

    Thom Active Member

    Jun 5, 2000
    You're not going to be able to change your wife's habits in this.

    Either buy yourself your own TiVo, or buy one for her.

    Regarding shows you both want to see, just make a simple rule: The TiVo "owner" decides how long the show stays on their TiVo.

    Thus, in the case of a mutual show recorded on your TiVo, it will stay on the TiVo until either (a) both of you have watched it and then manually deleted it, or (b) the TiVo software automatically deleted it (to free space), even though she hadn't gotten around to watching it yet. (If you are in the habit of keeping your Now Playing List well-pruned, this would mean she had several days or weeks to sit down and watch it.)

    Separate TiVos will keep things running smoothly, and that's worth a lot.

    You can buy a refurbished Series 1 (with warranty and all accessories) for $90, and it can mount two hard drives.

    - Thom
  10. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    Where would I find this? Is ebay a good place to shop? What downfalls are there for the series 1 software vs. the series 2 software? I guess the big expense will be paying the monthly service twice. Somehow it doesn't seem fair that I should have to pay twice for the same guide data be loaded on two machines in the same house.
  11. Glen Graham

    Glen Graham Senior Moment

    Oct 12, 2000

    Sadly, and I hate to sound mean and phrase it like this, but your wife appears to have both control and hoarding issues.

    She is controlling because she is steadfastly refusing to "share" the capacity on the drive. This is demeaning -- and if you refused to let her use the one family car (to go get her hair cut) because you might want to drive it around block later... SHE would consider that abuse.

    Secondly, as more space was freed up, she hoarded it by setting more things to record.

    Then, she has those one hundred or so tapes.

    So, in a nutshell, your wife needs help. You're right - increasing capacity will not help, she'll hoard more and become more obsessive.

    If/when you get your own TiVo, she will fill hers up, and see space on yours -- and then either set some stuff to record on yours, or complain to you that YOU are being mean and unfair to HER (because you have extra space and are not sharing).

    Sorry again to sound harsh.

    In the meantime, divide the capacity of your TiVo in two. Each of you gets to schedule ONLY enough recordings to fill your half. Fair? Yes. Will she agree? Not a chance in hell -- because (see above), she is not respecting you or your right to use the TiVo EQUALLY.

    If anything is for you two to share, you each deduct half from your share of the capacity. IF you have to put it all in "your share", then you are 100% allowed to delete it the moment you watch it.

    Lastly, her setting everything to KUID and hoarding to tape... is very very indicative of problems that undoubtedly go beyond the scope of this forum. Either she has some unspoken grudge against you (thus she refuses to share), or she has an obsessive-compulsive disorder (making her feel the urge to hoard) that she cannot keep in check and should honestly consult professional help for.

    Lastly, she is not entirely to blame -- you are enabling her by not standing up and insisting on your fair share of the use of the TiVo.

    Perhaps you would benefit if the TiVo "broke" and had to be sent back for repair (a couple of weeks)... harsh, but might help open her eyes to her obsessive-compulsive disorder.
  12. Glen Graham

    Glen Graham Senior Moment

    Oct 12, 2000
    On the other hand, to answer your questions:

    eBay is, by and large, good. Often you can find units that already have a "lifetime" agreement.

    Series 1 units are "stuck" on the last level of software -- no Home Media, no "Folders"... but other than that, work just fine. They have the advantage of being easily upgradable to 2 drives -- any 2 you want (so if it comes with a 30, you can add an extra 120 GB instead of having to replace it).

    Let you wife have that unit, since it can easier hold more capacity.

    Paying twice... get Lifetime, or consider it a small cost for a marriage. Bump your cable down a notch if you need to to save money.
  13. Thom

    Thom Active Member

    Jun 5, 2000

    (link also mentioned in my first reply in this thread)
  14. martinp13

    martinp13 YHTBMABIITY

    Mar 19, 2001
  15. timckelley

    timckelley TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but I was pretty surprised just now when I visited weaknees.com . It seems that things have changed in the last month or so regarding upgradabiltity of TiVo series 2 - 80 hours.

    I was initially turned off from this idea because of the weak power supply and cramped quarters for holding two hard drives in my model, but it looks like recent developments have licked this problem. Their upgrade kits include a device for staggering the startup times for the two drives, allowing the weaker power supply to be sufficient, and also cooler, quieter fans to keep the two drives cool, despite their close proximity. They say it'll even be cooler than my one drive currently is!

    Now, I'm having a hard decision. I was leaning towards a his and her TiVo to solve our problems, but it looks like upgrading is a lot cheaper. For $209, plus $19 extra if I want the advanced cooling pak, I can add a 120 G to my current setup. This would give me almost 63 hours Best Quality, or almost 229 hours basic quality. (I'm assuming this includes the time on my current HD, but I'm not completely sure about that. Even greater if it's in addition!)

    If I get a separate TiVo, it sounds like I need to spend at least $90 to get an old series 1 with not much space, plus $299 for a lifetime contract, plus more $ to upgrade it. (Unless somebody out there is willing to sell me a series 1 already with LifeTime for a really low price.)

    I'd like to save $ and do an upgrade, but I'm kind of afraid my wife could fill this up to. Before I do this, I would need a plan/agreement between my wife and I... some way for her not to infringe on my half on the TiVo space. I wonder how doable that is?
  16. janry

    janry New Member

    Jan 2, 2003
    Three Steps:

    (1) Upgrade existing TiVo and tell wife it is all hers.
    (2) Buy yourself a new TiVo.
    (3) Upgrade your new TiVo.

    You can never have enough TiVo.
  17. Glen Graham

    Glen Graham Senior Moment

    Oct 12, 2000
    Not sure what the final price is (auction ends in 2 days), but currently a 14-hour Series 1 with lifetime is $210 on e-bay

    Click here

    It is worth about $350, so it may yet be a decent deal (you can stick any old drive in it instead of the 15-GB that is there)

    There is also another one with a "Buy It Now" for $399
  18. abobrow

    abobrow New Member

    Jul 8, 2002
    Dear Tivo Community-

    Please help me avoid solving a problem in my marriage. My wife puts the thermostat at one setting but I want it at a different setting. Help! What should I do??

    Are there thermostats that can keep a house at two different temperatures at the same time? If so, where do I get them? Is there another way of measuring the warmth of a house, besides using temperature? Please help!!!
  19. rtype

    rtype Ruler of Earth

    Jun 18, 2003
    Dear abobrow

    Remind your wife that when she entered into the institution of marriage, she agreed to two understood principles. The first principle states that a woman shall not have possession or otherwise seek to restrict the usage of her husband's television remote control. The second states that a woman shall not adjust, tamper with or otherwise impede her husband's ability to set the thermostat.

    Because these principles are understood and were perhaps not explicitly stated in your marriage agreement, many women have come to the conclusion that this agreement is by and large unenforcable. If she brings this to your attention, remind her that she did agree to these conditions of marriage whether they were explicitly stated or not. Also, you may remind her that if she chooses to continue to ignore this warning that you may choose to ignore two or more of the conditions of marriage which you agreed to that she may also find unenforcable.

    If she understands the implication of your warning and chooses to suspend her interference with your operation of the television remote control and thermostat, you may, if you choose, decide to provide her with a gift of a blanket or a quilt kit in lieu of jewelry or other gift items at your next occasion.

    Good luck with retraining your spouse. Remember that if things don't work out, newer models are available.

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