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Wife won't delete recordings

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by timckelley, Jun 3, 2003.

  1. Nov 27, 2012 #781 of 1228
    lrhorer

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    And again I say, "Data always expands to fill all available hard drive space." ;)

    Actually, I would say probably forever. Even if all the services are moved to the NAS, you will almost certainly still want to access the NAS as an ordinary file server from workstations within the house.

    If the OS is anything like the one on its bigger brothers, then not too much so. I definitely request you move the discussion over to the Linux thread whihc is stickied over on the Home Media forum.

    That is a function of Windows. As long as the network share is mapped and pyTivo is run with sufficient permissions, it will be able to read and write the share. If you run kmttg, then you probably always want to run it from a Windows machine, even though it can write directly to the network share. The NAS is not really designed to harbor a desktop environment.
     
  2. Nov 28, 2012 #782 of 1228
    Polcamilla

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    Has she at least tossed out those Liberty's Kids and Between the Lions VHS tapes??
     
  3. Nov 28, 2012 #783 of 1228
    timckelley

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    She probably has. When we moved to a new house last year, she went through and kept her most important VHS tapes and got rid of the rest. She probably kept all her DVDs though, because they don't take as much space.

    By the way, as we speak, our new NAS is in the process of receiving 23 episodes of Southpark from one of her TiVos. The new hardware is working nicely, and it was remarkably easy to set up, despite my lack of networking/server knowledge.
     
  4. Nov 28, 2012 #784 of 1228
    lrhorer

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    At that rate, it might fill up pretty fast. See my response above. :)

    In the mean time, if you have Premieres or hacked S3 TiVos, kmttg can delete the original content after it is transferred, if you like. At first I suspect you want to get comfortable with the setup and make sure it is reliable enough for you. I believe you have already run into the situation where a show did not transfer completely, so if it is of concern to you, you might stay on top of the transfers a bit so you can undelete any partial transfers on the TiVo, but at some point you might consider implementing such a facility.

    At some point you might also consider ripping some or all of those DVDs to the NAS, depending on how many you have. Once again I refer you to my response above, though. :D
     
  5. Nov 29, 2012 #785 of 1228
    timckelley

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    She actually still has a giant heap-load of general hospital eps, but she's not transferring them because she keeps telling herself she's going to catch up on it. Plus it's a never ending, always new releasing show so it's not the kind of show that could be put off long term like South Park can.
     
  6. Nov 29, 2012 #786 of 1228
    lrhorer

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    You're kidding, right? A soap opera? That same girl has been pregnant with that same priest's baby for 27 years!!! :D
     
  7. Nov 29, 2012 #787 of 1228
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    At least those years pass.

    About 2 or 3 seasons into The Nanny, she mentions to a friend having fallen a few years behind on reading Apartment 3G, and the friend says "Well, it's later that same day..."
     
  8. Dec 1, 2012 #788 of 1228
    timckelley

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    The copyprotected shows on her TiVo Premier are supremely annoying her; she'd really like to transfer them to our NAS. She has a long list of such shows. She complained that I should have bought an S2 for her third TiVo and not a TiVo Premier. I told her that I got the Premier because it's more future thinking. I told her for one thing that Premier is hooked to an HD monitor, but she told me she doesn't care about HD. (That part is tough for me to understand or empathize with.)

    Also I told her that Time Warner has been one by one eliminating our analog channels. Later this month, there are 6 or 7 of them that are about to disappear. When we go all digital, she might be happy to have the Premier. (OTOH, maybe when that happens, the S2s will still be useful if they can control an external Time Warner digital tuner via IR, so maybe her point about the S2s is valid, and that's what I should have gotten her.)

    Anyway, my wife thought of a great idea. She could use the Premier to record local networks, and her two S2's for everything else. But that will be a lopsided arrangement (because she records an awful lot of stuff not on local networks), so to compensate, she can HMO a bunch of stuff from her S2s over to the Premier soon after they hit Now Playing, to balance out the hard disk demand. She told me that she's noticed that if she records on a nonnetwork chanel on an S2, then moves it to the Premier, it still remains uncopyprotected, so this strategy of hers sounds doable.

    I did suggest another idea: that I trade my TiVo HD with her Premier (since I don't care about copy protection. I always watch then delete my shows anyhow.) Then, somehow hack the TiVo HD to defeat the copy protection. But I made this suggestion unseriously, because from what little I've read on this topic, such a hack sounds complicated, and there's a good chance my skills aren't enough to accomplish it.
     
  9. Dec 2, 2012 #789 of 1228
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    The shows on the S2 would wouldn't use as much disk space when copying them to the NAS. I don't mind an S2 on a small TV and it's OK sometimes on a large TV depending on the program.
     
  10. Dec 2, 2012 #790 of 1228
    lrhorer

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    That's one reason I don;t recommend a Premiere, among many others.

    There is no question that the S2 is a dead horse. It just hasn't been buried, yet. At this point I would say the Premiere is backward looking, though.

    Agreed. I cannot watch most SD material. It's nauseous making.

    I doubt it. Certainly, I spent many years using an S1 TiVo with a series of different leased STBs, but the setup was hardly reliable. Time Warner had a habit of randomly rebooting the STBs, usually around 04:00, which would cause me to lose several days' worth of recordings. Even without that, however, I was supremely jealous of my sister's DirecTiVo, which had two tuners. Giving up one tuner in a box would be a pretty hard thing to take.

    Why not just set up auto-transfer profiles in kmttg to transfer to the NAS?

    Yes, but copying to the NAS is really a better idea.

    Not really. Once the PROM is replaced, it only takes a few minutes. See the other forum, and look for the link in my signature.
     
  11. Dec 2, 2012 #791 of 1228
    lrhorer

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    A lot more than an SD copy from his THD or Premiere.
     
  12. Dec 2, 2012 #792 of 1228
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    Analog cable recorded on S2s results in smaller files on the computer than the same analog cable recorded on an S3.
     
  13. Dec 2, 2012 #793 of 1228
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    True, but we aren't talking about analog broadcasts. As he mentioned, the analog channels are going away. We are talking about digital SD from a Premiere or THD vs digital SD converted to analog by a DTA or STB and then fed to the S2. Digital SD will be about 1.5G / hour. I don't have an S2 for actual comparison, but I suspect the S1's compression was about the same as the S2, and my old S1 recordings run close to 2.7G / hour. Of course, one has some control over the S2 coding rate, so if one is amenable to making the video even worse, recording in "basic" quality will result in less space utilization.
     
  14. Dec 2, 2012 #794 of 1228
    timckelley

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    I think I'll follow up on that, because I have a coworker who is also highly mad at her copy protected shows. She has multiple TiVos and also an iPad that she'd like to move videos to.

    She's been hoping for me to discover options for her, because she doesn't know much about computers. She's not even comfortable replacing a hard drive for that matter, but she'd be grateful for any help I can give her. I haven't said I'd help her though because I don't even know what's involved, but I'll go ahead and look at your link.

    She thinks I'm smart and wizardlike with computers, but I told her my knowledge is inferior compared to a lot of people here on TCF.
     
  15. Dec 2, 2012 #795 of 1228
    timckelley

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    That does sound it makes more sense; I'll suggest this to her. Right now I only know how to set up one time transfers, but I'll look into the auto-transfer strategies.
     
  16. Dec 2, 2012 #796 of 1228
    timckelley

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    One thing I worry: Right now, she's already wiped out 3.9% of the NAS with shows. It doesn't sound like much, but we haven't had it very long. Well, her TiVos were full, and hopefully with her new breathing room, her rate of transfers will slow down soon.

    The NAS, including hard drives, cost $400-$500, and I'd prefer that not to be an expense that recurs very often.
     
  17. Dec 2, 2012 #797 of 1228
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    An S2 records a 2 hour movie from analog cable at best quality, then it gets copied to a FAT32 partition by TiVo Desktop and the last 5 minutes or so get lopped off by the FAT32 4GB file size limit.

    Would the same show recorded at SD from a digital channel on an S3 make it onto that same FAT32 partition without any pieces missing?
     
  18. Dec 2, 2012 #798 of 1228
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    It is actually one of the few functions I found a little bit weird in kmttg. It took me a couple of tries before I understood the basic idea and was able to get it working properly. Once I understood what he had done, however, I didn't have any further problems. Give it a look, and post over in the Home Media thread if you get stuck. It is entirely possible you may not have the same misconceptions I did when I first tried it out.
     
  19. Dec 2, 2012 #799 of 1228
    lrhorer

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    I'm sorry but I just have to chuckle at your expense on that one. :D

    At some point, I think you will really want to recode the videos to h.264. Using VRD, it is easy (and can even be automated), and will save you 30% on space. Assuming most of her material has commercials, and assuming you pad by 1 minute on both ends, editing out the commercials and padding will save an additional 30%, meaning you will fit about twice as many videos in the same space.

    The only drawback (you will need to speak with the matrimonial unit about this) is you will either need to push the videos or else encounter somewhat slower transfers back to the TiVo. Note if she likes vidmgr, which I expect she will, the point is moot.

    Now, pushing is really great, and you have seen some of the TV screen shots of vidmgr, which is a push add-on for pyTivo. (As I believe you know, one can also push from the pyTivo web interface from a PC.) There is one serous caveat, however. Pushing requires the cooperation of the TiVo mind server. If either the internet or the mind server are down, pushes will not work. We suffered a period of a couple of weeks when the mind server was severely impaired, and during that period, failure rates in excess of 70% were encountered. If it happens again, I suspect wifey won't be pleased. I'll leave you to decide when to warn her about the issue. During the initial adjustment phase may not be the best time.

    One additional wrinkle revolves around your decision to purchase a NAS. Overall, I would not say it was a bad decision, by any means. There is one drawback, however. The NAS simply does not have a powerful processor. Ordinarily, it is far more than powerful enough to run pyTivo, vidmgr, Jukebox, etc. The exception is recoding video. Recoding video is exceedingly CPU intensive. Now, once again, 99% of the time, this will not be an issue in any way. If, however, you do decide to recode all your videos to h.264/MP4 (which I definitely recommend), and if the mind server starts having some issues, I would suggest the following:

    For the duration of the issue, shut down pyTivo on the NAS, and temprarily fire it up on the fastest PC you have in the house. You will have to pull all the videos from the NPL, rather than pushing them (no vidmgr), but then that is a given. On the TiVo, you and your wife will not be able to tell any difference, except of course that the file transfers, while still slow, will not be as slow as from the NAS. Once the issue with the mind server has been resolved, you can easily shut down pyTivo on the PC and fire it back up on the NAS.

    Well, it shouldn't. The NAS itself can be upgraded without having to upgrade the drives. You can either purchase a larger NAS or more economically, roll your own server. Then of course, you can sell the NAS, sans drives. That said, 4% isn't much - yet. Nonetheless, I would come up with a budget for drive expansion based upon how fast you find yourself filling up the NAS. $100 a year or so - say $8 to $10 a month - may be more than enough.
     
  20. Dec 2, 2012 #800 of 1228
    lrhorer

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    That sounds about right. The compression on the S2 may be a bit better than the S1.

    It should very easily so, with quite a bit of room to spare. Of course, it depends entirely on the bit rate set by the provider, but the most common rate shaping in the industry allocates about 3.45 Mbps to each SD video stream. It can be more or less if they employ dynamic rate shaping. I rarely record any SD material, but I have done a small handful, and luckily a few of those are still coded as the original .mpg. The Roaring Twenties, which clocks in at 1:46:32, takes up 1.88G. Extending it to 2:00:00 would make it just a bit under 2.12G - far away from the 4G limit. (Not that I recommend FAT formatting.) It was recorded from Turner Classic Movies before they went HD. Calendar Girls, recorded from WGN America, is 1:31:13 and takes up 2.87G. Extending that to 2 hours would be 3.77G. 'More space, to be sure, but still under the 4G mark. Of course, recoding to h.264 will cut those figures by about 30%.
     

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