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Wife won't delete recordings

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by timckelley, Jun 3, 2003.

  1. Oct 1, 2012 #741 of 1216
    timckelley

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    That's a good suggestion, but you made me realize that even though my wife is happy to record stuff on the SD stations (I'm not though... I record everything in HD), there is no guarantee that Time Warner will keep broadcasting those SD stations.

    If Time Warner ever goes to digital only, that means 2 of our TiVos (S2's), plus a 3rd if I succumb and buy her another S2, might become difficult to use. Maybe there's a way I could an S2 to communicate with a digital tuner... I'm not sure.

    Your streaming option sounds like a less risky way to go. Yes, she doesn't get more space, but I could add HD space to a computer and show her how to transfer stuff to it.

    I wonder if it will have to ability to stream from an S2 though.
     
  2. Oct 1, 2012 #742 of 1216
    jrtroo

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    That would be my recommendation also.

    However, I would not bother teaching her how to push data to your pc, but instead show her how simple it is to pull the data to the Tivo.

    My wife gets how to do that (she did not even need a walk-through), and enjoys that I can set up folders for her different shows, or per primary watcher, genre, ect. I use pytivo so its reliable and low overhead to the server.
     
  3. Oct 1, 2012 #743 of 1216
    timckelley

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    Yes, I don't have pytivo, but I'd like to install it. I don't have server either, but I do have a home network. (Router with a bunch of devices connected to it.) PyTivo doesn't require an actual server, does it? Though I think it would be nice if we had a server - I don't know how to set up one though. :eek:
     
  4. Oct 1, 2012 #744 of 1216
    DevdogAZ

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    Definitely sounds like you need some kind of media distribution system rather than another TiVo. That way, it won't matter what TiVo you record something on, or what TV you're trying to watch it on. Everything will be available on every TV (if you set it up that way). If SD is acceptable (to her), then I recommend BOCS. Looks like they currently have a sale going on, too, so it may be a great time to get it.
     
  5. Oct 1, 2012 #745 of 1216
    jrtroo

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    pyTivo does not need a server, I actually have it on a PC that I use for ripping/editing and on my server for longer term items (where I use subfolders and the like).

    I use WHS, which is awesome and easy enough to set up for anyone who has installed windows. Too bad they are no longer updating it, however. I love the stupid-proof automatic backups of each and every PC in the house.
     
  6. Oct 1, 2012 #746 of 1216
    timckelley

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    That technology sounds pretty nifty. Do you know if when they inject the TiVo signal into the house cable, if it interferes any with the existing signal? When you watch a program on a BOCS channel, do you think it looks as clear as if I didn't even have BOCS installed?

    I suppose one good thing is that at least our two digital TiVos and HD TVs shouldn't (I assume) be affected, since with digital, the bits are just 1's and 0's, so a weak 1 is still a 1.

    The other thing is is sounds like I have to install the super combiner in front of the house's main splitter. I don't know where that's located, but maybe I can figure it out. I have a feeling it might be outside, so hopefully the super combiner is weather proof. Also, I wonder if I'd by breaking any Time Warner rules by installing something in front of Time Warner's main house splitter.

    Since the set up uses RCA cables, it sounds like it's really meant for S1's and S2, and not any HD signals. But that's okay, because my wife is happy her S2's, and distributing her two S2's would probably work for her. Plus, I think I could even distributer her TiVo Premier, though if she tries to watch it outside the family room, it'll just be using the RCA cables, so it'll be SD quality. But I don't think she'll mind, plus my son's TV is just an SD TV anyhow.
     
  7. Oct 1, 2012 #747 of 1216
    unitron

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    Perhaps you should specify exactly what you mean by "server" in this context, since I'm not sure pyTiVo could run without being on that, or "a", computer.

    Unless you know how to get it to run on a flashed router or some kind of NAS box. That would be cool.
     
  8. Oct 1, 2012 #748 of 1216
    bareyb

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    PyTiVo is awesome for storing large amounts of Video on your Computer and pulling them to your TiVo when you want to watch them. Setting up PyTiVo can be a little tricky for the uninitiated, but I set up a really easy Tutorial on how to install it if you ever get the urge. ;)

    I have it on my laptop and use as needed. One day I do plan to set up a server but honestly, the way it is now suits my needs pretty well. :)

    Here's a direct link with step by step instructions. It's Mac Centric but I've heard it works fine for PC's too: Installing PyTivo on the Mac for Beginners
     
  9. Oct 1, 2012 #749 of 1216
    jrtroo

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    I did note that my server is WHS (though I certainly could have connected the dots together better).

    I use pytivo on WHS (Windows Home Server) - basically a older PC that I loaded the WHS software on and connected a bunch of drives. For the record, I use v1 due to its unique treatment for pooled drives.

    I believe that pytivo can run on several different NAS products, whs is just the one I have. Searching here should uncover several.
     
  10. Oct 1, 2012 #750 of 1216
    mattack

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    Supposedly Tivos will control the DTAs (think "cheap cable boxes") that cable companies gave/give out when they got rid of (most) analog channels.

    pyTivo *is* the server.. But at least I seem to remember it "just works". I never was able to get Galleon to do anything useful.. but pyTivo was basically run it, set the path (I set it to the same path that kmttg downloads to), and it "just works".. (I had ONE tiny problem yesterday, but that seemed to be due to me monkeying with my router.)
     
  11. Oct 2, 2012 #751 of 1216
    timckelley

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    My wife resisted the idea of pyTiVo at first, because she thought it would be complicated, but when I assured her it wasn't (which I assume it's not, but I guess I'll find out :eek: ), and also told her I can buy another hard drive for one of our computers if there's not enough space for videos, she signed on to the idea.

    Apparently what she wants to do is take all the animated stuff that's currently scattered among her 3 TiVos and move/consolidate them to one place. In her mind, it was going to be on a 4th TiVo, but now she's agreed to store them on a computer with pyTiVo installed in lieu of a 4th TiVo.

    As for seeing videos in my son's room, using the BOCS technology mentioned about sounds acceptable to her. I see you can connect up to 3 devices, and I suggested connecting all 3 of her TiVos, but she doesn't want the 3 TiVos in one room, so she just wants one TiVo hooked up to it.

    On a somewhat unrelated matter, she also wants a new room added to our house, which will probably be expensive... we haven't really started the ball rolling on that yet, nor do I know the actual price, though we have talked to some contractors about it. But anyway, she says once we have more room, she'll agree to having all 3 of her TiVos together hooked to the BOCS box. I guess she thinks the house would look too crowded right now if I try to put the 3 TiVos together. Not sure I agree though... TiVos aren't that big. In fact, I have in the family room a sort of tall wooden cabinet with lots of shelves, which I think could house 3 TiVos, but I didn't get into that with her, as she's happy for the time being with distributing just one TiVo. That's fine with me, because personally I just watch my own single TiVo in the master bedroom and that's it. My one TiVo holds enough space for all my shows. Once in a while I come close to tapping out all the space on it, but when that happens, I watch some shows, or if necessary, delete unimportant ones. Also, sometimes if I find my SPs fill up NP faster than I can watch them, I reevaluate my SP list, and maybe cancel the one I least care about.
     
  12. Oct 2, 2012 #752 of 1216
    murgatroyd

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    My only concern about putting three TiVos in the same space is this: how are you going to handle conflicts with the remote?

    I have three TiVos in one place, but one is a Sony (different remote codes).
     
  13. Oct 2, 2012 #753 of 1216
    jrtroo

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    pytivo will not be complicated from the UI. It will give you a folder at the bottom of the to do list that lets you pull content from a PC. I have three set up: Server Movies, Server TV, and My PC. Each has subfolders for each family member for their own content. Operationally its just like pulling a show from another TiVo.
     
  14. Oct 2, 2012 #754 of 1216
    timckelley

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    Right now, all four of our TiVos use remote codes 1-4, so there are no conflicts. But you bring up a good question, because with BOCS technology, you use the BOCS remote to control the TiVos. I hope that remote has the ability to use remote codes like the TiVo remote does, but I should confirm that before buying any equipment.
     
  15. Oct 2, 2012 #755 of 1216
    lrhorer

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    From the perspective of a TiVo user, it is perfectly seamless. As jtroo mentioned, each video share (you can create as many as you like) appears at the very bottom of the Now Playing List, exactly like and just below the Deleted Items folder. How you organize those shares is entirely up to you. You can dump all the videos on the server into a single share, with or without subdirectorties, or you can create one share for kid's stuff, another for your wife, another for you personally, and one for everyone. If you want to get fancy (for you, still dead simple for her), you can even create one main share and then create shortcuts / symlinks in multiple folders. For example, you might have a main folder with the movie Get Smart. You can create a share pointing to this main folder, or not, as you see fit. In addition, however, you can also create folders named "Comedy", "Romance", "Espionage", and "Action". Then you can create 4 shares with the same respective names pointing to each respective folder. In each folder, then, you can create shortcuts / symlinks to the main file and its metafile. This way, it doesn't take up any significant amount of extra space on the hard drive, yet Get Smart appears in all four folders in the TiVo NPL. Meanwhile, doing the same sort of thing for the movie Where Eagles Dare will have it showing up in "Espionage" and "Action" (plus "War", if you like), but not "Comedy" or "Romance".

    Note these also do not have to be separate shares, if you don't want them to be. They can just be sub-directories of a share. 'Very flexible.

    If you *REALLY* want to get fancy, take a look at vidmgr. I was going to provide a screen shot, but my website seems to be down.

    Absolutely. Don't forget a good backup solution.

    Is this for a 4th room? If so, where is it in relation to the other TiVos?

    Why? I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to accomplish.

    Unless the hard drive is too small (in which case I suggest a hard drive upgrade - or even if not) there is really no point in doing this.
     
  16. Oct 2, 2012 #756 of 1216
    timckelley

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    Yes, my TiVo is in the master bedroom, and her 3 TiVos are in the family room, kitchen, and another spare room we have. She'd like to be able to watch her NP from my son's bedroom... currently that room has a TV, but no DVR in it.

    It's probably no big deal, but I was just thinking that if all three of her TiVos were hooked to the BOCS box (which coincidentally has the ability to handle up to 3 input devices), then she could watch anything from the NP menu of any TiVo, from any TV in the house. Admittedly, it's probably more flexibility than she currently cares about. Plus there's always HMO that lets you move shows from TiVo to TiVo anyhow. OTOH, it seems like most of the stuff on her TiVo Premier can't be moved because of some copyright protection thing on it (Time Warner has flagged most of her content as un-HMO-able.)
     
  17. Oct 2, 2012 #757 of 1216
    lrhorer

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    OK, but where is it? If it is basically behind the wall where one of the TiVos sits, you might be able to simply run a cable from a secondary output of the TiVo "over the wall", as it were, to the other TV.

    'Not all that much point in that, if you have everything you might ordinarily wish to share on the pyTivo server. In any case, it would be a cumbersome setup.

    No, which is why a Premier tends to be a poor choice if you are on a CATV system like Time Warner. They flag everything except the locals, which cannot be flagged by law. Are the other three TiVos S3 class machines? If so, then there is a solution for those units.
     
  18. Oct 3, 2012 #758 of 1216
    timckelley

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    No on the other side of that wall is a hallway and the closest other TiVo is on the far wall of a room on that hallway.

    Her 3 TiVos are a premier and 2 S2s. I suppose I might consider trading my TiVo HD with her premier but it would probably be a hassle to switch the NP and SPs.

    So for her to start watching shows in that room, pyTiVo isn't going to do it without a TiVo in there. That's why I'm considering BOCS.
     
  19. Oct 3, 2012 #759 of 1216
    jrtroo

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    Are you aware of the mini that is supposed to be coming out this fall? Combined with a 4/4XL, it could dramatically simplify your set up.

    It could make the most sense for you to wait on this, but set up pytivo in the meantime. Since you have TWC, copying is a limited option while streaming opens things up.
     
  20. Oct 3, 2012 #760 of 1216
    timckelley

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    Do I understand correctly that a mini won't work with S2's, let alone a premier? Though I suppose if it at least worked with a premier, that may be good enough for my wife. You're right that sounds simpler to set up.
     

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