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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by timckelley, Jun 3, 2003.
Separate TiVo's are like separate bathrooms - the secret to a happy marriage.
This really boils down to whether he has his wife set to "Keep Until I Delete" or if he entered into one of those til-death-do-us-part things.
Well clearly she's not "save until space needed" or she'd be gone already
Be sure you let us know what the decision is, and how it works out. We're nosy that way.
If it were me, I'd dump the wife. Already done that twice,
wait......oops....they both dumped me. But I'm living
happily with my 3 tivos.
Fellow Member of the "Tivo Pigs" Anonymous Survivors' Club
Well, as a woman, I feel kind of funny even suggesting that this be done to another woman, but it sounds like buying another Tivo will only delay, not solve the problem. She's definitely in denial that she'll ever have time to watch all those programs, not with a small child(ren) she won't. My mother is also a "Tivo pig". I bought the original 30 hour Tivo for both my parents as a joint Christmas present, but my father was never allowed to use it, not without a lot of bitching on her part. They upgraded to an 80 hour Tivo during the promotion a couple of months ago, and I said something to my father about maybe now he would get to use it, and he said "Don't be ridiculous. She'll just hog the new Tivo." Sure enough, he doesn't even have an hour recording on the new Tivo because the relentless nag wouldn't allow it without excessive bitching.
My suggestion: change the "save" date from "save until I delete" to "save until Saturday" on some of her less favorite programs, or the oldest recordings, and say nothing. It might motivate her to watch them if she sees those exclamation points, and if it doesn't, or she doesn't even get to the TV to notice them, well, its not like YOU deleted them. The machine deleted them, not you. That'll take care of the immediate need. For the long term, summer will help, but next fall, consider changing "save until I delete" to "save 7 days" -- that'll probably keep at least a couple of weeks worth of each program, unless you have an excessive number of season passes.
The advice given earlier about the childrens' programs is also excellent -- kids want to watch the program. They don't care about the episode. As long as they have some, and some turnover, they're happy.
Wow... so many responses. I feel I should give more background. We just got our TiVo a couple of months ago, and before that, we used to use a VCR to manually tape shows to watch later. We built up quite a backlog of tapes at the time of the TiVo purchase. My wife actually has watched part of the tape backlog, and a little bit of the TiVO backlog, but she still definitely has more tape backlog to watch, not to mention a whole bunch of TiVo backlog.
We have a 3 1/2 year old son, which keeps her very busy; that's why she has trouble watching the backlog. I myself have completely caught up and have no backlog. Here's why:
1) I have less shows on my list than she does. Several of her shows I simply refuse to watch because I've made a decision on how many shows I want to watch, based on how many hours I'm willing to spend watching TV. My list is not small, however, but it's smaller than hers.
2) I do most of my watching late at night after both my wife and son have gone to sleep. Sometimes I just stay up later, other times I go to sleep when they do, but wake up in the middle of the night and can't sleep, so I watch then too. So I personally have no tape or TiVo backlog.
Another thing... we temporarily have a reprieve because the seasons are over and mostly reruns are being shown now, so our To Do list is fairly small. One problem is that we have 3 season passes for kid shows, and sometimes they run marathons (even now), and then the To Do list gets big. (They're KUID-all episodes.) Right now, if I try to schedule something more than 2 or 3 days out it says the memory is full. That was a really neat suggestion somebody made about temporarily changing the season passes to KU space needed, schedule my show, then change the season passes back to KUID. I think I'll try that.
Recall that we offload the kids shows to tape as soon as we can. This really does seem silly to me. My son actually doesn't like the shows because he's too young to appreciate them. But my wife wants to save them on tape for the day that he'll like them. So far, we recorded about 6-12 episodes per season pass. She doesn't want any of them missed. I think I should have a frank talk with her and suggest that when the time comes for him to appreciate such shows, there will be plenty available at that time in the guide data (maybe not *that* show, but some appropriate shows), and we can TiVo them then. But she doesn't always think logically in these areas, so we'll see how that conversation goes.
One more thing I worry about. We got our TiVo in the middle of a season. What happens next year when a new season starts? If my wife doesn't keep up, there's going to be awfully large number of episodes she'll want stored. Maybe upgrading is an option, if the new buffer is large enough to last through the season so that she can catch up in the summer.
P.S. I hope my wife doesn't discover this thread. Fortunately she doesn't know about this forum.
New question about deletion.
Suppose all your suggestions are gone, and the only thing in your TiVo memory are season passes, some with KUID, and some with KU space needed. Suppose your TiVo is full and it needs to record something. Of course it won't touch the KUID, so it attacks the other. Will it delete in chronological order of when they were recorded, or will it first delete all shows lowest in the season pass manager list first before going to a different series? I'm assuming that's why we're able to move shows up and down in the season pass manager.
Count me in for the idea of having separate TiVos. My wife and I did just fine with one TiVo, as long as there was nothing she liked to watch. Once one of her friends introduced her to HGTV, it all went to hell in a handbasket, and I suddenly had far more home decorating shows on my drive than I thought a human could watch.
And I was right. She can't watch them all. So I got myself a DirecTiVo, and gave her the standalone to do whatever she wanted with. She has total responsibility for getting her shows off the drive, whether it's by watching and deleting, deleting without watching, or doing nothing and watching her shows get overwritten. Removing myself from the equation made our lives much easier, and she's become more involved in deciding what shows have a higher priority to her - just like it should be.
Now I need to get one for my daughter, and life will be even better. Clifford and The Wire don't really mix.
I should say also that as of the last few days my wife has increased the available memory by watching a little bit, and changing some shows to worst quality. So instead of being down to our last 2-3 hours, we've got about 7-8 hours of room on it. I still say that her rate of freeing up is going to have to increase when the new season starts in Fall. Here's what I think my options are:
1) get a second TiVo
2) upgrade our current one
3) archive more to tape
4) when the Fall comes and we become in imminent danger of filling up the TiVO with KUID causing shows not to record, I need to negotiate an agreement with her to change KUID to something else.
If an old episode gets deleted, I say it's more important for me not to miss a new episode than for her not to miss an old episode, especially if I'm keeping up and she's not.
Truthfully though, she does feel guilty for not keeping up, but she really wants to see all her backlogged shows.
I like the second TiVo idea, but it's so expensive! $250 for the TiVO, $300 for the lifetime service. Total $550 layout for a second TiVo. That's a little hard to digest.
Just out of curiosity (as the father of 2-yr-old and 4.5-yr-old boys), what kinds of shows is she recording?
We've done what a few others here have suggested: keep at most = 1, delete when space needed. We've got about 6-10 season passes for them, and all are set up this way. Our 4.5-yr-old loves Rescue Heroes, which is only on once per week-- but he'll watch the same episode every morning after he's ready for school. Our 2-yr-old says "Watch Bear [in the big Blue House]" and there it is for him. Yes, they're TiVo-spoiled.
We recently had our Sony series 1 serviced (failing hard drive), and had to be without the TiVo for about 2 weeks. It was a big shock to the system for our sons (and my wife!). They're much better now, though.
I've had to tighten up some of my wife's season passes, too. I had to limit her to 3 "Trading Spaces", and maybe 3 "30 Minute Meals". Marathons of Trading Spaces would fill up the list quickly. I also moved it down in priority, below all of our prime-time passes. Otherwise, it was pre-empting some good shows.
Good luck with the fight!
BTW, my opinion (since you don't want to shell out for another TiVo) is to put a stop to all the archiving. Nothing gets a default of KUID. If you need to keep it longer, use it sparingly. With summer here, you'll be spending more time not watching TV, so it's not going to get any better. Also, go back & adjust recording quality on shows that aren't worthy of the space (unless it's unwatchable on a big-screen).
I think it's in order of when the shows were recorded, oldest first. I don't think the priority on Season Passes has any effect on when it's deleted. It just determines which show gets recorded if you have 2 shows at the same time.
>> Just out of curiosity (as the father of 2-yr-old and 4.5-yr-old boys), what kinds of shows is she recording? <<
The three shows are:
Between the Lions
>> We've done what a few others here have suggested: keep at most = 1, delete when space needed. <<
That's not really applicable to us because our son currently has no interest in any of the three shows. He also doesn't know how to talk yet because he's autistic, and doesn't do much TV requesting except for some video tapes he watches repeatedly. (He's currently 3 1/2 years old. My mother's pretty sure I was partially autistic too, and in fact I didn't speak until until was 4 or 5 years old.) I guess I should ask my wife how many episodes we really need to archive for a child who might never want to watch them. I think she's feels these shows are educational and for that reason she thinks he should watch them.
Yes I agree about the second TiVo, but don't tell your wife. Rent the "other" TiVo it's own apartment and visit it on your lunch hour and weekends. Oh yes, there will need to be the occasional over night "business trip" during sweeps week, your favorite playoffs, etc.
I tried setting my Wiggles SP to delete when space needed and KAM=5 yet I still have more than 5 in my now playing list. Will it only limit them to 5 when it needs space?
I have nothing to add, but just wanted to say thanks for your intellegent, well-thought out posts.
You clearly have a deep understanding of the subtle nuances of the TiVo's behavior. It's refreshing to see someone post a question, and have all their facts straight.
The episodes that existed before you last changed the expiration options on the SP, and any episodes for which you have manually changed the expiration date, will not count towards the 5. You shouldn't get more than 5 otherwise.
If you change just the KAM and not the expiration, it will delete shows. I've seen instances where I change the KAM number and shows were deleted. For instance, it was 5 and I had 4 shows but haven't looked at any of them, and none are SUID. After changing the KAM number to 2, only 2 shows are left.
On the other hand, as mentioned, if you change the expiration date for a specific show, it's not counted, and I've seen this as well.