TLDR - I love how Tivo works as a DVR - have loved it for a long time I will stay with TIVO.. but not sure if I should upgrade . The extra storage capacity and nifty back lit remote are somewhat attractive.. but I'd need to feel some goodwill to the company also.. and my goodwill is strained by what I don't understand. any ideas of something that works well along side tivo ? ----- edit (2) learning about the Fling phone application (in post below) that will interact directly with the Roamio explains how large elements of the functionality I seek are being built in via alternatives that are better than trying to put browser software on the device itself not set up for hosting third party software. Thanks....the dialogue helped a lot because my goals painted a better question that could be answered affirmatively (yoggi berra can't get there from here?) edit(1).. I've concluded that what I was hoping for was a PC which pc companies do better than DVR companies... correct my expectations and I won't be bothered by the below. (i'll leave it.. because I'm the kind of person that wants to hear all of someones motivations.. I don't like conclusions.. I'm far more into knowing what people considered while arriving at a conclusion. That is just my nature ... and that is the way I watch TV too! which Tivo enables me to do.. .I use TIVO to watch TV my way.. which is often in slo motion.. repeating scenes.. skipping other segments of a show etc. ------ Long version below: Hi.... long time Tivo user... bought my first one in June 2000 when my wife was pregnant with our second kid (thats how I know) I was content with the first one forever but eventually the HD TV thing starting coming out and the old one showed some wear so I bought a new series 3 around 2006 (?) This one is still going strong. What I've really been waiting for is convergence. I figured in 2006 or 2007 or was it 2008 when began to be able to access YouTube on my series 3 that is was only a matter of time till I got a full browser. Instead they went backwards. Just 2 months ago, I broke down and ordered Uverse in disgust -- I really wanted to get away from Comcast for political/free-speech sorts of issues and they're almost more a media content creator than a data carier. Not that AT&T is an angel... OK well.. that was a mistake .. uverse's DVR was an insult to the very notion of the advance of Technology.. it was lacking core features of my year 2000 TIVO ! disgustingly pathetic attempt to shackle consumers. So, I'm happily back with my dated Series 3 NOW... here is where I"m at. I want convergence ... I'm feeling like I'd be better served spending 600$ on separate PC (or more accurately using the $600 towards a $1000 ish pc with a game quality video card). Some of me really wants more capacity... it would be great not to have a second thought about which football games I want to watch.. just record 10 or 15 3 hour games in HD and decide late at night which ones looked good and stop watching if one became a blow out and switch to another . .... and I want that back lit remote on the pro. The Drive on the series 3 is going to fail eventually too I suppose being 8 years old. But, I'm not made of money.... purchasing both the PC and the Romaio isn't an option. Some of this question is to sooth bitterness I suppose... why can't I just have my Tivo act alos like a PC ? I got the Samsung Note 2 last year. I have my choice of 3 or 4 web browsers on it.. and I'm not bound to using web ap pages.. I prefer to access the pages via browser for a few reasons....(complicated perhaps.. but mostly fear or walled gardens and a pissing match on who sets the terms of access in terms of how much data I need to share....contact lists are sacrosant.. i don't ever want to connect my yahoo id, to my google id to my twitter id , to a facebook id.. .and some other places i use mutiple identities... that is getting increasingly hard to do on phones. If my Samsung Note 2 has the capacity to run web browsers the procerssor in a tivo box (a modern one.. not my year 2000 one that can still function if I bother) has got to be powerful enough. I feel like it is a matter of Throttling... and.. ...and somehow throttling power to access information really sets me off. Is there a reason beyond throttling I'm not getting? Will I really need two boxes under my TV to be happy (I am a football fan, and have enough network tv shows as do my kids to justify the $90 a month packaged entertainment deal from the cable company ) As I tend to watch programs with the rewind button and the super slow motion button constantly in use (i'll watch each key play in a football game 3 or 4 times concentrating on the qb once, linemen second.. refs eye and reciever on a third..perhaps.. or just watch at different speeds and toggle back and forth frame by frame lookng at gaps or content.. that will never work via streaming (or maybe more precisicely they won't tend to let me). I' do similar on policital events analyizing in slow motion changes in body posture in minute seconds upon beign asked a question etc.. or just want to hear and ponder the implication of the word choice again right after I hear a sentence) I guess I'm saying ,.... I NEED a Tivo for what Tivo does a great job at...recording channels... ... I don't think I need a tivo for streaming (my kids use the xbox.. for amazon prime free content etc) Anyway.. I guess I'd like to hear other kindred spirits who adore TIVO in some ways I do but are feeling like they also need more that TIVO hasn't wanted to scale with... ... I mean if my phone can go from a motorola Brick in 2000 to a Note 2 in 2013.. why hasn't my Tivo grown in similar leaps and bounds into being both a DVR and a full on Linux based PC that can run any ap a pc can and fit video cards and maybe even integrate console game access etc? .... Not quite as pathetic as Uverse not having slow motion and freeze frame in 2013 that tivo had in 2000 but.. still really hard for me understand!