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Why is my space disappearing on my HD3?

Discussion in 'TiVo Help Center' started by megory, Jul 26, 2013.

  1. ggieseke

    ggieseke Active Member

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    It sounds like it lost the entire expansion somehow, but I've never heard of that happening before. If the partition table is intact but somehow the MFS superheader got set back to the default that might explain it (sort of like divorcing an external drive).

    Are very many of your recordings copy protected? I'd get as much as possible downloaded to a computer ASAP.
     
  2. windracer

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    It won't delete any recordings (that's the Clear & Delete Everything, or C&DE).

    If there is something going bad with your drive (looking at weaknees I'm guessing you have this one, which would be a single 1TB drive) maybe doing a kickstart 54 (drive diagnostics) would reveal if anything's going wrong. You can find the instructions to run the kickstart here and here.

    Something else to try would be to use something like kmttg, which has a nice disk space utilization pie chart that might shed some light on the issue.
     
  3. philhu

    philhu User Since Day ONE!

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    2 things here

    Items in the deleted recording tell Tivo it can delete them anytime. And sometimes it deletes items there for many reasons.

    One is that you do go over the MFS Limit of shows, which in 11.0, was alot lower than todays modern software. Back then, drives weren't that big

    Also, if Tivo determines to delete a show in the deleted area, it can delete the entire node a bunch of shows are on, to speed up the searches and since it was deleting anyway.

    I would never assume shows in deleted folder would stay around. And I have seen things stay in there for years, and all of a sudden see 200 were deleted.
     
  4. megory

    megory Advanced TiVoOligan

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    TiVo has continued to prevent me from recording my usual 1241 (which should be 800-900 hour long SD shows plus or minus longer or shorter shows). As I mentioned before, for years, I've maintained about 2-400 deleted shows. Then suddenly, all my deleted shows were gone as were half the recorded shows I had on the disk.

    I continue to be limited to, say, 300 hours of recording. Anything above that means the deleted shows are deleted permanently

    I got nervous about the deletions, so we connected the 2DT in order to transfer some of the shows via MRV. Funnily enough, most of them had the big red circle on them. Some, however, were transferable. Most, not. Remember, I do NOT record in HD only in analog.

    Got me wondering if the analog stations are actually recording in HD. So, I recorded Forgettable in Analog and HD. Funnily enough, the HD version used a few fewer Gs than did the Analog (each near 8Gs)! And I just checked--that is the one and only HD show recorded.

    I just reviewed from my 2DT what it could transfer. Virtually nothing. AND July 16 seemed to be a cut-off date. I don't think I came across anything recorded after that date that is transferable. If all the BHN stations are now sending out (even the "cable" stations) in HD, that sure would use up my disk space faster.

    So, what happened on July 16? Is this significant or does it sound like a simple coincidence?
     
  5. windracer

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    It's possible Brighthouse is simulcasting the digital versions of the channels on the analog channels. If you schedule a recording on channel 8, do you have the ability to select a recording quality? If not, the channel is actually digital, not analog.

    That being said, digital recordings usually save space (as you saw with the space discrepancy between an analog and HD recording). That could also explain the copy-protect flag on all of your recordings (although the local channels should be transferable).

    It might finally be time for you to start recording (and enjoying) HD-quality video. ;)

    edit: I'm not sure what I'm stating here is correct, by the way, with regards to simulcasting. But I'm positive someone will jump in and correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  6. megory

    megory Advanced TiVoOligan

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    Thanks WindRacer, I do appreciate the affirmation. Seems it mus be digital even though DSL reports doesn't see any changes. And no, I don't see a choice. And that's why it seemed strange for all my recordings (yeah, even local) to be flagged since 7/16.

    I'd rather watch real HD, but it doesn't really matter to me. Not enough space on this TiVo, but I have lifetime, so I won't buy a new one!

    BTW, my Old Dual Tuner manages to record in fewer Gigabytes! Hmmm.

    Thanks. I think we're on the right track here.

     
  7. megory

    megory Advanced TiVoOligan

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    Covert Affairs recorded on my 2DT, and it used .75G whereas the identical program on my HDTiVo took up 4.79G. Why?
     
  8. windracer

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    You probably recorded it in a lower quality (like Basic or Medium?) on the S2DT and it's in HD on the S3. Recorded off the same channel?
     
  9. megory

    megory Advanced TiVoOligan

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    Yup, both recorded from same channel, and both set to record at "basic" (I checked my "recording" settings on the HDTivo and it, too, is set at "basic" thus the estimate of the high number of "basic" recordings).

    But, since it records at a lower quality on the other Tivo . . . I'm confused. Does this make sense to you? Help me see it WR!

    M
     
  10. windracer

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    If it's 4gb on the S3, it's not recording in Basic. Was this an old Season Pass you had set up, or a one-time recording? If it was an old SP that you created when the channels were actually analog it would have the Quality setting but now (if) the channels are digital simulcast the TiVo would ignore that and just record the digital stream.

    If I have a chance this weekend I can pull my S3 out of the closet and set it up and see what happens when I try to record the 1-99 channels compared to my Premiere.
     
  11. megory

    megory Advanced TiVoOligan

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    Thanks WR. It was an old Season Pass on both TiVos. I presume this has to do with digital but can't get confirmation from anyone but you and me.
     
  12. windracer

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    Ok, I pulled out my OLED S3 and did some testing and think I can confirm that the CableCARDs are re-mapping the HD version of the channels to their lower-numbered analogs.

    You can tell this in a few ways. I used 8 (NBC) and 1008 (NBCHD) for my test.

    • video quality on 8 is the same as 1008 (crystal clear); if this was analog the video would be more grainy
    • you can't use the Aspect button on the remote to change the aspect ratio between Panel, Zoom, and Full
    • recording a 1 hour show on channel 8 resulting in a 4gb file (definitely HD) and I was not prompted to select a recording quality
    I suspect if you pulled the CableCARD out of your THD you'd see the old analog channels again (since the card wouldn't be present to do the channel re-mapping) but then you'd lose access to any digital tier channels you may watch (I did not attempt this).

    So yeah, I would guess that at some point in July, Brighthouse shut down the old analog channels and started re-mapping their digital/HD analogs to those lower numbers which is why you saw your disk usage go up.

    Hope this helps! :)
     
  13. windracer

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    I did pull out my old S2 box and hooked it up and can confirm that the analog channels are still there (man, they look bad ... I'm too used to HD!). So it definitely seems to be the CableCARD that is re-mapping the HD channels to their lower-numbered analogs (no pun intended).
     
  14. megory

    megory Advanced TiVoOligan

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    Thanks WR! Very thorough! Somehow, I think I didn't see your follow up messages. In fact, I totally forgot I had started this thread until your link today! I thought it was all under the HD. (I had a lot on my plate).

    Yes, the picture isn't quite as good as before. But it's tolerable. Again, for now. We'll see how long I keep the M-card out!

    But your experience and mine show that they did NOT remove the analog channels--they're there, but made inaccessible via the M-card. Interesting stuff. Thanks again.
     
  15. windracer

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    Always glad to help.

    You should be able to re-insert the M-Card at any time to get your other channels back. Since the CableCARD ID and Host ID (of the TiVo) remain the same, you shouldn't have to call Brighthouse to have it re-paired. If you think you'll never use it you could return it to BHN and save $2.95/mo ($35/yr) but I would recommend hanging onto it.

    And yes, the analogs are still there (the M-Card is just remapping those channel numbers to their HD equivalents) but who knows how much longer they'll be around?
     
  16. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    One thing you might try if you still want to record the analog channels WITH the cable card still in...

    Go in the channel list and remove all of the digital/HD equivalent channels, just leaving the analog channels to record from.

    (Personal observation) Sounds odd...we're usually suggesting people remove the SD equivalents. :p
     
  17. windracer

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    That won't work ... the CableCARD is remapping the analog channels to their HD equivalents. So even if she removes the HD channels from her lineup, channel 8 is still going be showing the feed from 1008 due to the CableCARD.
     
  18. megory

    megory Advanced TiVoOligan

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    I'm stuck in "Clear Information . . ." After 2 hours, I rebooted, and it seems stuck again. Any ideas?
     
  19. megory

    megory Advanced TiVoOligan

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    I'm stuck in "Clear Information . . ." After 2 hours, I rebooted, and it seems stuck again. Any ideas?
     
  20. unitron

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    Let it try for a 4 hour stretch and be glad you didn't select "Clear and Delete Everything".

    And perhaps have any cable cards, tuning adapters, internet/network, and antenna/cable connections not connected during the process so as not to distract it.
     

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