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Why doesn't Tivo Desktop Plus come Free?

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by Shanezam203, Mar 19, 2012.

  1. Shanezam203

    Shanezam203 New Member

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    I am close to upgrading to Tivo Desktop Plus For $25, I'm curious why Tivo limits the Free version to only support certain files but the upgrade has a lot more features... besides the added rev. for licensing, why don't they include that as a competitive advantage/ part of the Tivo services?

    Upgrade the free version of TiVo Desktop software for the PC and get these additional features:

    • Convert shows for playback on your iPod, iPhone, iPad, Blackberry, PSP or other compatible device
    • Transfer compatible web videos to your TiVo box for viewing on your TV

    Supported video formats include:
    • Windows Media Video (.wmv)
    • QuickTime Movie (.mov)
    • MPEG-4/H.264 (.mp4, .m4v, .mp4v)
    • MPEG-2 (.mpg, .mpeg, .mpe, .mp2, .mp2v, .mpv2)
    • DivX and Xvid (.avi, .divx)*
     
  2. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Because someone is trying to make extra money.

    You'd be better off looking into PyTivo.
    It does everything TD Plus does and is completely free.
     
  3. lillevig

    lillevig Hot in West Texas

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    Why not check out the free programs written by Forum members? That would include kmttg and pyTivo.
     
  4. Shanezam203

    Shanezam203 New Member

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    I've tried PyTivo but I couldnt get passed some of the steps. I'm simply looking to play the MPEG-4 files I have formatted to play on Apple TV, also on my Tivo.

    Right now I have to convert them to mpg-2 so I have double the files on my PC. One for iTunes (mpeg-4) and My Tivo Recordings mpg-2. :thumbsdown:
     
  5. Iluvatar

    Iluvatar New Member

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    If you want, tell us where you got stuck and I'm sure it can be worked out.
     
  6. LostCluster

    LostCluster New Member

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    MPEG4 is exactly the reason for the $25 price tag. It contains portions that are still under patent protection. There is no such thing as a free MPEG4 encoder... if there was one TiVo would be using it.
     
  7. jrtroo

    jrtroo User

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    pyTiVo is worth getting installed correctly. The folks on this board can help that happen. I have done it with posted instructions a few times, and a few others I needed some help.

    It will be worth it in the end.

    Not just because it is free, but because it is more reliable and powerful. You can easily watch content and trigger downloads/uploads from your tablet to you PC/home server. I can format the videos with handbrake so I can watch them on the TiVo and my Xoom.
     
  8. Shanezam203

    Shanezam203 New Member

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    I just upgraded to Desktop Plus and I now can see all my media! :up:

    Well well worth the $25, funny I used so many converting programs over the last 5+ years.
     
  9. justen_m

    justen_m Cheesehead

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    Handbrake will convert MPEG2 to MPEG4, and is free, covered under the GNU General Public License. I use it to convert DVDs and .tivo files to .mp4 files to play on my portables.

    [edit] To clarify, I use TivoDecode to decrypt and convert .tivo to .mpg, and then Handbrake to go from .mpg to .mp4, and I use DVDFab and Handbrake for a similar conversion to make convert DVDs to .mp4
     
  10. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Had it! It quit working so I Dumped it! Moved to PyTivo and KMTTG. Loved it!
     
  11. ggieseke

    ggieseke Active Member

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    AFAIK, the $25 goes straight to MainConcept (the authors of the Plus codecs).
     
  12. Shanezam203

    Shanezam203 New Member

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    The reason I ask is because I finally paid the $25 yesterday after Years of debating and trying to convert media to the right format (using video converter). I upgraded to Desktop Plus and it plays all my media!

    Man this is nice, I would have gladly paid the $25 years ago.
     
  13. sturick

    sturick New Member

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    I thought it was nice too back 3 years ago when I got it for my wife. Watching shows on an iPhone was great. But I haven't been able to have my computer or Tivo recognize each other in over two years. I sincerely hope you don't run into the same issue.
     
  14. justen_m

    justen_m Cheesehead

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    Did you ever post a question or help request in this forum? I'm guessing somebody here could have helped fix your problem. My first suggestion is to dump DHCP and use static IP addresses. I had tons of problems with my two Tivos seeing each other and my computers, then occasionally seeing each other, then not seeing each other, etc, when I was using DHCP. I switched everything to static IP addresses and haven't had a problem since. I've only got eight devices that need addresses, so there really isn't a need for DHCP.
     
  15. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    The OPs initial question was "Why doesn't Tivo Desktop Plus come free". ;)

    We tried to steer him to the free alternatives, but he chose to pay the $25 for TD Plus. I guess having things set up for you is worth something to him.
    I just hope he avoids the small irritating bugs that TD has.
    I am currently experiencing a bug that kills the Tivo Server process on a Windows 7 PC.
    I am this >< close to switching to pyTivo myself, but it requires user setup and I just have to get motivated. :p
     
  16. Shanezam203

    Shanezam203 New Member

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    Yes, I tried PyTivo a few times but couldn't get passed some of the steps.

    Regarding paying $25 and having it setup for me, I'd have paid $100 for this Desktop Plus 5 years ago, it is doing Exactly what I needed. I can access multiple formats of Media that is on my PC, on my Tivo. working wonderfully & well worth the $25.
     
  17. justen_m

    justen_m Cheesehead

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    I understand. I use Tivo Desktop myself on all my systems. I have already made them all dual boot XP/Linux. I figure if I can install and use Linux (and used Linux in my job as my primary dev platform for more than a decade), pyTivo should be easy. I'm expecting a tarball I can just unpack, or a zipfile with windows install package. AFAIK, that doesn't exist. Point me to a file where I can do a tar -xvf <filename>, or pkunzip <filename>, etc. To be truthful, I haven't even bothered trying in a long time. Maybe this ease of use does exist now. I've got a workstation running 24/7 that would probably be a great pyTivo server.

    I'm just lazy. As a LaserJet engineer for HP's Core Technology Lab, I could just ask one of our dedicated support people to set this up for me. My time is much more valuable zapping and destroying prototype circuit boards, blowing freeze-it on ASICs that are drawing 10x as much power as they should and constantly overheating, jury-rigging our printers to add a serial connection to control our coffee machines so the waste heat from the fuser would keep our coffee warm, you know, stuff like that. ;)
     
  18. Iluvatar

    Iluvatar New Member

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    There is and always has been a package that you can just extract and run. Windows installers come and go (the maintainers disappear) but the zip/tar packages are always available and runs on basically any OS that Python will. There are several developers working on their own forks but wmcbrine is considered the 'main' branch of pyTivo development. His pyTivo download page is here: https://github.com/wmcbrine/pytivo and if you don't want to look for the link his latest package is here: https://github.com/wmcbrine/pytivo/zipball/master

    At one point you had to setup a config file before first run but that is no longer the case. Install Python if you don't have it. Start up pyTivo.py and away you go. You can setup shares directly from the web server interface. Supplying a FFmpeg binary will greatly enhance your experience.

    There is a support wiki and a support forum and as always TCF if you have questions.
     
  19. justen_m

    justen_m Cheesehead

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    That is one of my complaints. Why does there need to be one? It should be point and click. Tivo Desktop is point and click. In any case, I'll give it a go tomorrow or Friday in both XPP and Linux and document what I do.
     
  20. sender_name

    sender_name I remember XM 202!

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    I LOVE VideoReDo
    It is a program that allows you to convert/cut/edit .tivo files
    You can move a .tivo file to your PC, remove the commercials and send it back. It retains all the info/tags/data/folders/filing and is commercial free. This is GREAT for shows that kids love and want to keep without the extra space.

    Also you can convert them to whatever format you want.

    I also use handbrake to convert files for the ipod touch

    www.videoredo.com/
     

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