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Who were the worst five Trek characters?

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by kiljoy, Dec 21, 2005.

  1. Dec 21, 2005 #1 of 103
    kiljoy

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    I'm in the mood for a Trek debate, so here it is. What would be your worst five Trek characters? They can be undeveloped, poorly acted, badly conceived, or just plain distasteful. (That's Travis Mayweather, Tom Paris, Dr. Polaski, and Wesley Crusher.)

    I'd imagine my top five would be those four plus Ezri Dax, though I can cut her a little slack for stepping in after Farrell left.

    Tony
     
  2. Dec 21, 2005 #2 of 103
    cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

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  3. Dec 21, 2005 #3 of 103
    PeternJim

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    Don't know if this is something where I can be as concrete as "worst" but I'll throw a couple cents into the mix.

    I think the single most disappointing character in all of Trek to me was Tasha Yar. She never really embodied what she was supposed to. She was supposed to be a survivor of a feral childhood on a failed colony, fighting by her wits to survive abuse, rape, mayhem, and bad hair and all, only rescued by Starfleet. As I understand it, the working model they had was the character of Vasquez in Aliens, and they actually considered Jenette Goldstein for Yar. Wow, how different that would have been! Of course, if she had worked out, Worf wouldn't have gone the same direction he did. Denise Crosby did her best and had her moments, but I still wish...

    I have to throw Kes in as well. What was the point? They could have done some really neat stuff with her if she hadn't been so starkly and unrelievedly nice. We got a taste of what Jennifer Lien might have been able to do in the episode where she got possessed. I always thought that with her short life-cycle, they could have gotten Kes pregnant, and she could have played a double-role as Kes and her daughter for one season, then had Kes age and die, with Jennifer continuing in the new role. At least a little drama there.

    I think both Wesley Crusher and Katherine Pulaski come under the heading of Bad Idea. They were doomed from the first. The whole idea of children on the Enterprise was a stupid one, and the fact that the writers grabbed the Boy Genius idea and ran with it just made that worse. And when they decided that Beverly wasn't working out, putting Dr. McCoy in drag and trying to pass her off as a new idea was unforgiveble. Diana Muldour deserved better, and could probably have done better with better writing.

    The entire Vulcan race on Enterprise was just WRONG. You want to screw with something, make it up fresh, don't completely trash all the continuity of the whole franchise just to get some pissy pointy-eared bad guys.

    I think Chakotay, Harry Kim, Ezri Dax, Malcolm Reed, and Travis Mayweather all suffered from Terminal Bland. The characters didn't have a hook for the writers to latch onto and run with, so they simply never developed at all. Since the writers didn't care, we didn't either.

    Lenore Karidian had to be the single most annoying character in any Trek incarnation. Okay, so she was a deranged Shakespearian serial murderer, but she managed to play THAT over the top.

    I have very, very mixed feelings about some of the other alien races. The writers seemed to have a gift for creating very complex and rich ideas, then dumbing them down to pointlessness. The Trill and the Ferengi were the best examples of this. The possibilities inherent in both races and the opportunities to see truly alien species went right out the window almost instantly. At the same time, I love Dax, and the Ferengi we ended up with were a hoot. Ah well.

    Okay. More than five. Oops.
     
  4. Dec 21, 2005 #4 of 103
    5thcrewman

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    That one guy in that episode, you know, the guy in the red shirt, got hisself killed?
    THAT guy!
     
  5. Dec 21, 2005 #5 of 103
    Lannister80

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    Worst
    Tasha Yar - TNG
    Neelix - Voyager
    Harry Kim - Voyager
    Kira Nerys - DS9
    Seven of Nine (hot but boring) - Voyager

    Best
    Picard (all hail the Picard!)
    Riker
    Kirk
    Worf
    Data

    Gee, am I TNG biased or what?
     
  6. Dec 21, 2005 #6 of 103
    newsposter

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    5th you beat me to it....was gonna say the poor person who wasn't in the part of the landing party normally...as soon as Kirk said: Spock, McCoy, Sulu, McHatchery...you just knew McHatchery was gonna die!
     
  7. Dec 21, 2005 #7 of 103
    7thton

    7thton No raindrop ever falls in the wrong place

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    Any list that doesn't begin with Janeway is bogus.
     
  8. Dec 21, 2005 #8 of 103
    cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

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    I'll take Sisko and Kira Nerys over Picard and Riker any day of the week.
     
  9. Dec 21, 2005 #9 of 103
    busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    You know, I just saw the "Arctic Radar" episode of The West Wing again yesterday and then I see this thread which is eerily evocative of a conversation Josh had with a WH worker who was a Trekkie:

    "Tell me if any of this sounds familiar", indeed :D
     
  10. Dec 21, 2005 #10 of 103
    johnspalm

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    Chakotay - may have been the victim of bad script writing

    Ezri Dax - a victim of the replacement curse

    Travis Mayweather - just plain bad casting

    Nog - how irritating

    Jake Sisko - just a waste of screen real estate
     
  11. Dec 21, 2005 #11 of 103
    BetterYeti

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    Yeah, but I think the worst alien race among the regulars was the race that was the original antagonist in Voyager. They are so unmemorable, I'm not even sure I recall the name. The Kurzon? Or was that the name of one of them? Anyway, the lead member of that race would be on my list for one of the five worst characters.

    Consistent with your "dumbing down" point was the merciless emasculating of the Borg. By the end, what did we get? Something like Catwoman and her moronic henchmen from the Adam West version of Batman.
     
  12. Dec 21, 2005 #12 of 103
    Rkkeller

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    Anyone on DS9 and Enterprise (except Tupal) if you ask me. I watched most of the episodes because it was ST but never could really get into it.


    Rich
     
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    DougF

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    Kazon.
     
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    DougF

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    All he ever did was ***** about the writing, so they probably did intentionally give him crap to work with.
     
  15. Dec 21, 2005 #15 of 103
    DougF

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    I'll definitely second Mayweather. I'm sure Montgomery can act, but he sure wasn't given a chance. When they finally got around to a Travis episode, I wasn't even interested.

    As for Paris, I think the producer blew it by re-casting an actor from a very visible role in a somewhat similar one. Everytime I saw Paris, I thought of Nick Lecarno. Plus, we just never got to see enough of Tom Paris' bad side.
     
  16. Dec 21, 2005 #16 of 103
    DRobbins

    DRobbins Putting things off

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    I have no idea how accurate it really is, but I've read in multiple places that the real reason Gates McFadden (Beverly Crusher) left TNG for a season was because she was being sexually harassed by one of the show's producers. Supposedly, during the season she was away, the other actors became increasingly annoyed by Diana Muldaur "phoning it in" (basically not bothering to learn her lines) and pretty much demanded that Gates McFadden return. The producer responsible for the harassment left (I have no idea if it was at all related to the offense) and McFadden was persuaded to return.

    Anyway, Dr. Pulaski would be at the top of my list of worst Trek characters. I'd add the Grand Nagus, Moogie and 1st-season Wesley Crusher to the list.
     
  17. Dec 21, 2005 #17 of 103
    7thton

    7thton No raindrop ever falls in the wrong place

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    I really like all the Ferengi characters. They are really funny and have a totally different motivation than do most of the other Trek races.
     
  18. Dec 21, 2005 #18 of 103
    BetterYeti

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    On DS9, I used to like Cassidy Yates' character, but I now associate the actress so completely with Sheri Palmer from 24 that I can barely watch her. Not one of my 5 worst characters exactly, but I find it really hard to enjoy when she's featured in episodes. Kinda weird, actually.

    I'm generally pro-Ferengi, but Moogie skeeved me out . . . especially with the association that Ferengi generally kept their women naked. Ewww.
     
  19. Dec 21, 2005 #19 of 103
    5thcrewman

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    [NOT]
    All the characters played by Jeffrey Combs!
    Tiron
    Brunt
    Weyoun
    Penk
    Shran
    Krem
    [/NOT]
     
  20. Dec 21, 2005 #20 of 103
    Langree

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