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Where is Stream for Android???

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by dave060863, Feb 24, 2013.

  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Actually Windows 8 does not support Encrypted HLS, which is what the Stream currently uses. There is a 3rd party SDK that you can use to add it to a Windows 8 app but it was only released at NAB back in April, so even if they are using that SDK and started immediately after it was released development would still be lagging behind Android.
     
  2. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    Just in case anyone still has any doubts on where the tablet market is going:

    http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/29/tablet-marketshare/

    The short version is android tablets out sold IOS tablets by over 2 to 1 in the last quarter.

    TiVo wake up and get support for android.
     
  3. ort

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    iPhone marketshare is actually increasing in the USA.

    If you look at the numbers from the big carriers it is typically something like 50% iPhone, 45% Android and 5% other.

    http://www.imore.com/att-q2-2013-results-32-billion-revenue-68-million-smartphone-sales

    http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/18/technology/mobile/verizon-iphone/

    http://bgr.com/2013/07/08/t-mobile-iphone-sales/
     
  4. button1066

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    The link you posted is global sales most of which are irrelevant to TiVo. If you read up the thread a little you can see a post showing that tablet use in the US is not only dominated by iOS but that the iOS share is actually increasing. Android tablet users are a shrinking minority in the US!

    American Android users either don't actually use their devices for some reason in which case there is no point in TiVo chasing them or Android sales are still only really significant outside the US. You might want to deal with that instead of keeping your fingers crossed.

    Here is a link to the sad reality...

    http://chitika.com/insights/2013/june-tablet-update
     
  5. atmuscarella

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    That article did not say that android sales where outside the US. In fact it did not talk about sales at all and the only article about sales it linked to again showed Android tablets significantly outselling IOS tablets.

    Also the usage data was based on online ad impressions through the Chitika Ad Network, which does nothing to tell me or anyone else if android tablet owners want to stream video from their TiVos onto their tablets.

    The reality is very simple for new tablet sales Android is significantly out selling IOS and there are now more Android tablets in use than IOS ones. Any company that only supports IOS tablets is writing off the majority of the tablet market.
     
  6. button1066

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    So why don't Android users actually use their devices then, can you explain? It only takes a few clicks to find more sources for usage statistics that show Android use is bizarrely low. It's pointless linking because you think global sales are all that matters. It's the same story with revenue on the app stores.

    Add on the fragmentation of Android tablets and the variation in performance and quality of those devices and it just looks hopeless. I work for a software company and guess why we only develop for iOS? Yes that's right - none of our customers have expressed an interest in Android. Nobody uses the freaking things!

    FWIW I think people buy Kindles and Nooks to read books and the rest of Android tablet sales are price driven and the people who buy them just aren't heavy users.
     
  7. atmuscarella

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    Last time I looked buying and reading books is a primary function of a tablet or are you saying any usage that isn't trackable by some add network doesn't count?

    I still pretty much use a computer to surf the web and block as many adds and trackers as possible. Until I can easily do the same with my tablet I will continue to limit surfing the web with it. In any event add tracking isn't going to tell anyone if people are interested in using their Android tablets to stream shows from their TiVos or not.

    I looked for US only sales and could not find any recent data. If you have links to recent US only sales point to them otherwise stop trying to say something is a fact that you have no facts to support.
     
  8. button1066

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    Reading books isn't streaming video from a DVR. Is it? I'm saying that people who buy a device to read books are not necessarily going to be in the market for streaming from a TiVo. Not least because nooks and kindles have their own content ecosystems tied to Amazon and Barnes and Noble.

    You telling me that even you don't like using your Android device is about the nadir of this particular discussion and sums things up nicely. Guess what type of device I'm typing this on (and which I just streamed video on)?

    TiVo is a business. They know their market. They don't support Android in the same way they are reassessing their support for Comcast on demand. Not enough return on investment.

    I don't even understand your last paragraph. It's not me who is concerned about sales. It was you who indicated Android sales like it is meant to mean something.
     
  9. atmuscarella

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    Ok so for some reason you believe people using tablets for something other than surfing the web are not interested in streaming video from their TiVos to there tablets :rolleyes:. The fact that I want to limit surfing the web with my tablet has no baring on if I want to use my tablet to stream or side load video from my TiVos to my tablet.

    Which brings me back to my original post about this subject. There has been a major shift in tablet sales in the last year from IOS tablets being the vast majority to Android now being the majority. If you don't think that warrants TiVo supporting what is now and will likely be the major tablet platform for the foreseeable future that is your business and we can agree to disagree.
     
  10. button1066

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    My rather obvious point is that people just don't use Android devices for much of anything. You even agreed with me and said that you don't even like using yours. Don't blame you and at least you are honest.

    I linked to usage statistics which you indicated we're irrelevant. You quote sales figures and then criticise me for not posting anything to back up those sales figures. For some reason.

    I'm sure Android will be supported eventually and it will be a nightmare. Some devices will work some won't and TiVo will be lambasted for not satisfying everyone again.
     
  11. aaronwt

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    That link is for tablet web usage. Not for the number of users of Android tablets. Two different things.

    Personally I have several Android tablets, but most of my usage is from my local network, not usage on the web. Now the Android device where I have a lot of web usage is my cell phone.

    Streaming from a TiVo to a tablet is not web usage. It would be local usage of the tablet. Which is what most of my tablet use is.
     
  12. button1066

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    So Android users don't surf the web but do everything else that iPad users do and you believe that despite not actually having any evidence? What is your theory on why TiVo doesn't support Android then? Don't you think they do market research including keeping track of the number of actual users of their iOS and Android apps?
     
  13. aaronwt

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    I have no theory on that. I was pointing out that your link has nothing to do with ownership numbers of Apple or Android tablets. Only the web usage of the tablets.

    And streaming from the TiVo to the tablet is not web usage.

    I've already accepted the fact that stream is probably not coming to Android. So that is less money that TiVo gets from me. Which is why I bought a Slingbox 350 when they were released last year. At least this way I can use it to watch content when away from home as well.

    Although if streaming is built in to the six tuner TiVo, it will end up being a wasted feature for me without Android support.
     
  14. button1066

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    To be honest I think Stream support will come to Android at some point but it might not be as nice an implementation as on iOS or as widely used.

    I've been looking for articles on the Android usage discrepancy with Apple devices. It's not just my little theory or argument on here for the sake of it. I think the following two links cover the topic in a straightforward way...


    http://readwrite.com/2013/06/06/3-p...vices-more-than-android#awesm=~od57gL30Dosu3R


    http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthony...ty-gap-the-android-vs-ios-engagement-paradox/
     
  15. Austin Bike

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    Well, with the rise of android tablets comes the rise of fragmentation:

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57596060-94/android-fragmentation-surges-but-is-that-a-bad-thing/

    I think everyone here (myself included) would love to see android support for stream. But how many people would vote for android support if not all devices are covered?

    If you get beat up for having no android support and then you release support and 20-30% of the devices can't run the program, all you are doing is pushing up your support costs.

    Let's not look at this as "release stream for android and we're done." Instead you have to think about the bigger picture. For thousands of apps, there is probably no issue with the compatibility or support, but the more complicated apps that draw from a variety of systems will be more challenging.

    While I do not know of a technical issue that is holding this back I can think of a lot of business reasons why this has not happened yet.

    Edit: Actually this is a better visual of the problem:
    http://gizmodo.com/just-look-at-how-much-worse-android-fragmentation-got-l-921423675
     
  16. ort

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    The notion that you have to support 100% of the android versions and 100% of the screen sizes or you can't do anything in android is gibberish.

    Netflix did a slow roll-out for Android, supporting only specific devices at first. They did it again for tablets when honeycomb came out.

    Their android team is not 3x the size of their iOS team because Android is harder to develop for... it's because iOS has a smaller amount of hardware to test on.

    It would be trivial for TiVo to roll out a version that only runs on a specific set of devices and add support over time to additional devices.

    If they aren't doing it, it's because the stream is a dead product, not because of any notion about the development cycle or lack of market share. It's because the stream is not selling enough units to justify expanding the list of mobile devices it works on.
     
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    mr_smits

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    That's interesting. The Apple team supports 4 basic devices/form factors (iPhone, iPhone stretch, iPad, and iPad mini). The Android team supports 3000 devices (phones, tablets, and phablets).

    Seems like the Apple team is a bit bloated, or the Android team is top notch. :D
     
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    jrtroo

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    My favorite claims are these- "its only a small change", or "a minor tweak in functionality".

    If it were that easy, I'm sure it would have been done already. By easy, I mean both technically and through customer acceptance. I'm not sure why the delays, but my personal guess is we will have a lot of tivo news in the fall, this included.

    At this point we can continue to gripe, but it will do us no good.
     
  20. Aug 2, 2013 #140 of 288
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    There is a strong indication that the next gen hardware, due out in a couple months, will have Stream capabilities built right into the box. So the standalone Stream hardware might be dead, but it seems TiVo is doubling down on the capability so app development should move forward.

    TiVo has never been known for being quick about anything so while I personally don't think it should take this long to get an Android app out there, it doesn't surprise me that it's taking this long.
     

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