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Where is Stream for Android???

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by dave060863, Feb 24, 2013.

  1. Mar 14, 2013 #41 of 288
    PCurry57

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    Even DirecTV/Nomad has a PC app. You made an assumption about my financial status, because I'm frugal. Who is the jerk and your apparent disdain for others is sad. But hey you got your kicks you belittled someone.
     
  2. Mar 14, 2013 #42 of 288
    PCurry57

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    Dan I'm well aware of what goes into project development. Maybe because my past had to do with real time needs and a market that if you didn't respond rapidly you found yourself with customers fleeing in droves or worse hit with massive fines from convoluted ever changing laws this Metropolitan Service Area or that Public Utility Commission, the FCC... I'm just accustomed to a RAPID response to market demands, serving the instant gratification of the user. The saying in the telephony business was "It's is a nickel and dime business, but it's a god awful lot of nickels and dimes", so 24/7 365 your telephone service always works!
     
  3. Mar 14, 2013 #43 of 288
    Dan203

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    TiVo has never been accused to rapidly responding to anything in it's history of existence. You'll have to learn to slow your expectations down to TiVo time. :)
     
  4. Mar 18, 2013 #44 of 288
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    Found another interesting number. Despite Android moving ahead of iOS in the smartphone category (probably not the primary market for stream), the majority of the video is happening on iOS:

    http://www.macrumors.com/2013/03/12...e-video-viewing-still-taking-place-on-iphone/

    So we know that apple has the lead in tablets and even though they are tied or behind in phones, the overwhelming amount of video viewing on phones is happening on iOS.

    That being said, I still want android support for my android tablet, but it appears the business case I laid out earlier - that the bigger opportunity lays in iOS first - is in fact reasonable.
     
  5. May 8, 2013 #45 of 288
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    I can understand the frustration of wanting cool stuff on your platform of choice.

    What I don't understand is the need for people to villainize the products they don't use. Or belittle and insult people who use products they don't use. Or get super-duper angry about this stuff.

    I don't know what sort of emotional scarring leads a grown man to get furious about operating systems they don't use, but it really becomes humorous at some point.
     
  6. May 9, 2013 #46 of 288
    Austin Bike

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    Beats the hell out of me. I use iOS and android. I think people today are divided on everything. It's like our political process has infected all of our lives.

    I pretty much use everything across a large network of devices. Everything is good for some functions and bad for others. Nothing is perfect.
     
  7. May 15, 2013 #47 of 288
    PCurry57

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    Tablet market share has flipped, Android dominates the tablet market.

    1stQ 2012 -- iOS 58.1%, Android 39.4%
    1stQ 2013 -- iOS 39.6%, Android 56.5%

    iOS growth year to year 65.3%
    Android growth year to year 247.5%

    Hey TiVo it's time to support Android with Stream. Jellybean has already overtaken Ice Cream Sandwich
     
  8. May 15, 2013 #48 of 288
    JWhites

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    A six month development cycle is typical that is correct however it's now May, 7 months from November, and still there has been no word or hint or confirmation as to Android becoming compatible with the Stream. Let's not forget that the Kindle tablets are able to use Android apps now so not only are Android smartphones and tablets a viable option to watch TiVo videos on, but now the market has even become wider with the inclusion of the Kindle devices.
     
  9. May 16, 2013 #49 of 288
    PCurry57

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    And kindle devices were not included in the numbers I previously quoted.
     
  10. May 16, 2013 #50 of 288
    Grakthis

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    The line between phones and tablets is getting blurred. Phones are getting bigger, tablets are getting smaller. There's not that much of a gap between the iPad Mini and the Galaxy Note.

    So, arguing "well, it's for tablets" is a dumb argument that carries no water. It's for an OS. The form factor I choose to run that OS on is my thing, not TiVos.
     
  11. May 16, 2013 #51 of 288
    Dan203

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    All of this data may be true now, but it wasn't a year ago when they announced the Stream. In fact, at that time, there was only one Android tablet on the market that even had 4.0+.

    TiVo officially announced that they were working on the Android version in late November, so I assume that's when they started. So it's been about 6 months. They recently released a patch for the Android app, that proves that they are actively developing for the platform, so I'm betting we see Stream support for Android in the next month or two.

    Although I'm not sure what sort of approval, if any, they have to get from CableLabs for this. If they need approval then who know how long that might hold up the process. Especially since Android is a much less secure platform and CableLabs may see it as a potential security hole.
     
  12. May 17, 2013 #52 of 288
    Austin Bike

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    Dan,

    In addition, at I/O this week the Android team had a frank discussion about the challenges of Android fragmentation:

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57...ers-were-trying-to-fix-android-fragmentation/

    I think this will continue to create problems for some time until the software layering can really come to fruition. I find that iOS devices do a much better job of handling applications. My Android devices have far too many "stopped working" and shutdown issues. Android feels a lot like windows on a tablet. Once you learn how to deal with the quirks it is ok. I'd prefer to have a strong Android in the market for competition, but while it is selling better than iOS, I fear that is mainly driven by price point and not ecosystem or stability.
     
  13. May 22, 2013 #53 of 288
    Grakthis

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    I have a friend who is a single person who wrote a game for android and iOS. The android version came out 1 month before he submitted the iOS version.

    That's one guy, writing a VIDEO GAME that does waaaaaay more than this application does. It has an entire rendering and physics engine in it.

    So, the development cycle is not a valid excuse.

    Cable labs is only a valid excuse if we assume TiVo is incompetent. I do not assume that.
     
  14. May 22, 2013 #54 of 288
    Grakthis

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    Nah. It's just flat out a better OS. It's easier to develop for, it has a wider variety of hardware, it has a faster innovation cycle (due to there being so many manufacturers) and there's more opportunity for differentiation (no one wants to feel like they have the same phone as everyone else).

    I also have to question how much you actually use android if you have more app crashes than on iOS. Sure, App crashes are absolutely a thing on Android. I have 4 android devices I use for various tasks, and yeah, I probably get a "stopped working" message once a week. But load up the Marvel Unlimited App on iOS and I promise you you'll generate a crash in the first hour. Which is to say, it has nothing to do with the OS and everything to do with the app.
     
  15. May 23, 2013 #55 of 288
    Austin Bike

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    Arguing that either OS is better is really crazy. Both OSs are different and each has their strengths and weaknesses. In the world of judo, you use your opponents strength as their weakness. Supporting a more varied amount of hardware actually can be a negative. It's walled garden vs. the bazaar. The bottom line is that both have their advantages, but from a business perspective there is a reason that iOS came out first.
     
  16. Jun 3, 2013 #56 of 288
    JWhites

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    A friend of mine told me that it's silly that they can't write an app to work with the Stream for Android because of something to do with Java which is supposed to be a lot easier to write then Apple?
     
  17. Jun 4, 2013 #57 of 288
    Dan203

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    The language Apple uses is kind of a PITA. It's called Objective C. It's a derivative of C/C++ but it's just different enough to make it like learning a new language even for a seasoned C/C++ programmer. Android mainly uses Java with some limited C/C++ support.

    However there are a TON of people that are well versed in both Java and Objective C that TiVo could hire to do these apps, so that's not really the issue. There was a technical limitation to Android, which I've explained before, that made it impossible to develop Stream support for Android initially. But that limitation was removed in Android 4.0 which most devices have now transitioned to. At this point there is really no excuse. I hope that they are working on the app right now and are very close to delivering it.
     
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    Dan203

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    I don't know what technology DirecTV uses, but the TiVo Stream uses encrypted HLS which is only supported on Android 4.0+. DirecTV is a closed system, so they can do pretty much whatever they want. TiVo has to adhere to CableLabs guidelines so there are limitations on the technologies they can use as they have to be approved by CableLabs.
     
  20. Jun 5, 2013 #60 of 288
    TiVo Fool

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    Well, 59% of Android devices are now running 4.0+. Time to get moving on this!
     

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