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when will tivo fix "program info will runout on 7-18-2011 connect to tivo" problem

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by tootal2, Jul 13, 2011.

  1. sushikitten

    sushikitten 143 down, ??? to go! TCF Club

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    UPDATE: Ever since we put the TA on a timer (2a-6a IIRC) we haven't had ANY issues! :up:
     
  2. Teeps

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    Great news sushikitten.

    I forget now, does your TiVo have the original hard drive or an upgrade?
     
  3. May 1, 2012 #563 of 730
    Icarus

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    Got the timer and splitter installed. Timer's been installed, splitter just got here.

    I noticed without the splitter, I could tune to broadcast channels, but nothing else (at least in the HD set of channels, didn't try others). With the splitter, I should be able to tune to any non-SDV channel when the TA is powered off.

    Also I noticed that when the TA powers down or up, it stops any recording in progress and doesn't seem to resume it. Not a big deal for me, since it's not recording anything important at that point.

    Anyway, hopefully with this setup, it won't need any more manual intervention.

    Thanks,
    -David
     
  4. May 2, 2012 #564 of 730
    sushikitten

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    Original plus external 1TB hard drive.
     
  5. May 3, 2012 #565 of 730
    Teeps

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    I had the same setup. Then the problem started (last June/July) a couple of weeks after Time Warner Torrance turned on SDV. When I was forced to use their Tuning Adapter, to view all "PAID for STATIONS."

    As of now, I am not aware that either TiVo or Time Warner have "owned" this problem...
    So here we are having to put up with missing a 3 to 5 hour recording block, daily, to get the TiVo to function....
     
  6. May 3, 2012 #566 of 730
    tootal2

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    You dont have unplug the tuning adaptor everyday. i just do it once a week.
    Also I switched over to windows media center with a ceton cable card adaptor in my living room. its been working good.

    But I still like tivo better. But its nice having 6 tuners and 3 tb of drive space.

    I still have my tivo hd runnig. I going to feel bad when i decard it and unplug it. i had it for 6 years.


     
  7. May 3, 2012 #567 of 730
    [NG]Owner

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    I've been running fine for the last two months without anything. I had great success with blocking network access to the Tivo Mothership. Two months ago I removed the block due to an issue I thought I was having with Amazon (I wasn't, Amazon dropped a series I had paid for several years ago, that's why it wouldn't download). I haven't had nag screens since.

    Just make sure that you have the network connection (preferably at the router) to the Mothership blocked for a minimum of two days (three is preferable) in a row sometime during the week. During that time, GC will update. After a while (if my experience is indicative) you can remove the block and GC will continue to update (until it doesn't again at some point in the future).

    Easy-peasy.

    [NG]Owner
     
  8. May 3, 2012 #568 of 730
    ironmike

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    I have had this same problem for months, and unplugging the SVA (via lamp timer) for four hours a day fixed mine. Kudos to the forum folks who came up with this workaround.

    I am very unhappy with Tivo tech support. They should have fixed the software problem that makes GC fail a LONG time ago. I've been a commercial mainframe software developer for 30+ years; if I supported my customers with bug fixes the way Tivo does with their (lack of) bug fixes, I would have been out of a job decades ago. I don't think Tivo has ANY competent Linux experts on staff anymore...why else would they have delayed fixing this problem for so long?
     
  9. May 4, 2012 #569 of 730
    Teeps

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    Denial. (and not the river in Egypt.)

    Also, it can speed good info when your location is included in the profile.
     
  10. May 4, 2012 #570 of 730
    Teeps

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    This strategy did not work on my S3; go figure.
     
  11. May 4, 2012 #571 of 730
    Teeps

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    I rest my case...

    Are you following the Latest Ceton InfiniTV 4 Info Thread?
    Not all peaches & cream over there... Hope you have continuing success with Ceton InfiniTV 4.
     
  12. May 5, 2012 #572 of 730
    tootal2

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    Ceton is doing fine but microsoft doesnt seem to keep the tv guide updated.
    My guide only goes 5-12. also it took some time to fix the nvidia video driver flicker and lock up problem. And the wishlist on wmc is not as good as the one on tivo.

    I use to only use wmc to play shows i downloaded from my tivo. now i use it for everything. i even play my 3d blu-rays on it.

    still got my tivo hd running but havnt used it in a week.
     
  13. Jun 8, 2012 #573 of 730
    Teeps

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    Bump to put thread back on first page of forum.

    The tuning adapter connected to a lamp timer continues to prevent the "program info will runout on..." message, as GC completes almost daily.

    Tootal2,
    How is the Ceton working for you, any problems?
     
  14. Jun 9, 2012 #574 of 730
    tootal2

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    The ceton card is doing fine. but i hate the copy protection system on tbshd.
    on tivo hd tbshd is not copy protected but on ceton its set to CGMS Protection protected-copyonce. and it cousing me some problems recording tbshd.


     
  15. schoolbus

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    Fortunately I found this thread. Unfortunately I had a reason to search for it.

    I'm stuck in the Guided Setup LOOP :(

    What's the easiest way out?

    I am assuming none of the Kickstart codes will help? I tried #57 to no avail and just gave #58 a try, along with changing the setup to use Antenna Only (hoping this would reduce data to unpack). It's still "Preparing right now, so we'll see in the morning, but I don't have high hopes.

    Here's my stats/info:
    Series3
    70 Season Passes
    9/24/10 - upgraded to 1TB drive with winmfs (sorry don't know swap size ;) )
    11/5/10 - added TWC cable cards / TA
    Late 2011 - Tivo started giving me almost-daily messages about channel lineup change occurred, but then clicking through it basically said "never mind, you're using a tuning adapter". I never bothered to chase down that issue.
    Spring 2012 - Started getting messages about running out of programming data. I merely checked the guide and saw data out 2 weeks so I thought it was some glitch. I basically ignored it. I think it occurred a few times over the months but shows kept recording so I didn't see any ill effects.
    6/9/12 - I was traveling and went online to Mytivo to request to record Game 7 of the NBA East Playoffs as I was in a plane at the time and wanted to see it when I got home. It never recorded and then I started snooping around.
    I found that the last call had failed due to Error S03. That's when I looked online and found this thread (and others). I checked my GC and it was 5/16/12. I saw references to running channel lineup to update the GC, which I did and am now stuck in this loop :(

    In hindsight, I would have done one of the clear/delete steps first, and/or disconnected internet or TA.

    It's now been almost 2 years since I opened up my Tivo / used winmfs (ie I'm rusty), so what's the easiest way to get out of this loop? I don't seem to have an image from my drive, however I do have the original (250GB?) drive so I could copy from scratch all over again if I must. I saw reference here to adding/changing fakecall.tcl - what's that? It seems that would allow me not to lose all of my recordings, right? Any help would be much appreciated. My wife loves Tivo and needless to say she's the typical unhappy camper right about now. I did set her expectations pretty low though; that it might never work again.

    Thanks in advance!
     
  16. unitron

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    If the original drive was a 250, then I'm guessing you've got a TCD648250B, the one with the display and buttons on the front.

    You may need to disconnect the TA from the USB port and take both cable cards out (while the TiVo is unplugged), and then run through GS with just an antenna connected to see if it'll complete that.

    Are you using wired Ethernet, wireless adapter, or telephone line for connecting to the mothership?


    Considering what model you've got, you should also open it up and look at the power supply capacitors to make sure that's not a problem.

    I can hook you up with a guy in Raleigh that can supply replacements cheap.

    If you don't know which end of a soldering iron to hold he can probably do that part for you at a reasonable rate as well.
     
  17. schoolbus

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    I was going off of memory on the drive size, but yes I believe that's the model you mention. Checking my account at tivo.com, I see the SN does start with 648. It does have lights and buttons on the front display.

    I'll try with all of that disconnected and just antenna through GS to see if that helps, but again I don't expect it will. I tried running setup last night, but it failed again with S03, after doing Kickstart #58 and Antenna-only setup.

    What issue does the capacitor problem usually create? I haven't read about that related to the issue I have. It sounds like maybe you're just proactively suggesting to check that too. I will while I'm at it. I have the soldering iron skills under control if it comes to that :)

    If I hadn't done anything, I think my machine would have continued to work itself out of the issue. I'm guess I did previously run out of programming and then a few days later it finally cleared GC on it's own, restarting the cycle. But alas, here I am...
     
  18. unitron

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    Lots of sneaky ones you might not think were the power supply.

    Like working fine until you put in a cable card and then crashing, leaving you thinking you've got a bad cable card.

    Or random re-boots.

    There's a Series 2 DirecTiVo model whose symptom was one tuner worked and the other one didn't, but there wasn't anything actually wrong with the tuner.

    It's a known issue for S2 and S3 TiVos, so it needs to be eliminated very early in the troubleshooting process.

    Go read the wikipedia page on "capacitor plague"

    Then load this page

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/index.php?

    click on the Search button on the top bar between New Posts and Quicklinks, enter "capacitor OR capacitors" and click "show posts"

    and look at some of older results.
     
  19. schoolbus

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    Thanks unitron, will definitely check that out when I open up the box.
     
  20. schoolbus

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    unitron,

    sure enough, this one cap is bulging and oozed some material out. All others look good. It's the C701 2200uf 25v. See attached photo.

    I'll happily accept your Raleigh hook-up for an inexpensive replacement :)

    Of course I still need to break out of the guided setup loop. I don't expect this alone will do it. I tried restarting without tuning adapter connected and cable cards removed, just to antenna, no dice.

    I've been reading up on fakecall.tcl, but I would be in need of an overview on how to get that running - it seems one of many other parts and I only need to trick the system to thinking it has done a successful setup which it seems that will do. Anyone have a "fakecall.tcl operation for Dummies?" :) I haven't been successful searching.

    and yes I do have TCD648250B.

    Thanks again!
     

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