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when will tivo fix "program info will runout on 7-18-2011 connect to tivo" problem

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by tootal2, Jul 13, 2011.

  1. WO312

    WO312 Active Member

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    Finger...
    trackie, I sure wish I knew what you are talking about. :eek: :D

    So how are you looking at all this data? I remember from my Series 1 days that it was easy to get into the Tivo, then they made it much harder with Series 2, but then people figured out how to do it. I haven't followed those threads in the Underground for ages. So I'm guessing it's still possible to get inside the Tivo HD without a modded prom. Or is that what you have?

    And most important, is there a practical value here, other than watching what's going on?? It looks like ravingfan was able to use fakecall.tcl to fix his guided setup problem, so that's certainly practical. Anything else? I am assuming that anything you find with GC would just point Tivo and/or TWC in a direction to fix the problem, not anything we could do to help ourselves.
     
  2. WO312

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    Interesting. I don't believe I have ever seen that behavior with my machine. My first thought was that it was old data that hadn't been corrected yet because of all the connection issues, but it seems like your last GC and subsequent download would have fixed that. Unless it was a very recent change on the part of the network that is not being caught by your Tivo because it is not keeping up because of the GC problem. I assume that is what you are inferring?
     
  3. WO312

    WO312 Active Member

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    O.K., so I now have my GC update with the internet disconnected. Previous one was Thur. about noon, now Sat. at 5:15 PM, so a little more than 48 hours. I will force a connection and disconnect again.
     
  4. trackie999

    trackie999 New Member

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    If nothing, we now know that GC will complete as long as you disconnect network. (ie: daily call interrupts GC)
    We are learning something new every week, so we may find a self help option. (Have you tested 2GB swap? It works for Ravingfans)

    ... I do have a socketed TivoHD and getting ready to socket another one Monday ;)

     
  5. trackie999

    trackie999 New Member

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    Please refresh our memory. What size & model HD are you using?

    If your GC completes in 2 days, you could set up a firewall to block your Tivo from accessing 204.176.49.2 for guide downloads and see if that still works...

     
  6. WO312

    WO312 Active Member

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    Tivo HD with 2 TB WD, IIRC it is the WDEARS model.

    For me, it's easier to just pull the plug until GC updates. Takes me 10 seconds.
     
  7. WO312

    WO312 Active Member

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    Is there a way to change my swap to 2GB w/o losing recordings? No way I can lose my recordings.
     
  8. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    It's worth a shot.
     
  9. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    San...
    I'm probably the wrong guy to ask. I've always been more of a hardware person than a software guru. I've done a little programming, of course, but I've never been a professional software engineer, and I don't have a cross compiler or a debugger for the mips platform.
     
  10. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    Probably via telnet. One can also shut down the TiVo, remove the hard drive, and extract the information in an external PC.

    It has continued to get more difficult. The S4 has not yet been hacked.

    Nope. A modified PROM is essential.

    One never knows. Even being able to point TiVo in the right direction would be a tremendous step.
     
  11. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    Yeah, but you have to do it. If you have an old machine (an ancient 386 will do), you could load Linux on it in a matter of minutes, and run a pair of cron jobs that disables IP forwarding every 10 days or so and then enables it 5 days later. Point your Tivo to the Linux machine as the default gateway, and presto! Your internet connection to the TiVo will be shut down every ten days and then turned back on five days later with no input from you.
     
  12. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    Yeah, there are a couple of ways. It's easiest if you have a larger hard drive than the one in your TiVo. I know there is an option in MFS_Tools that allows increasing the swap size, but I don't know if it will allow a 2G swap. If so, then that's probably the easiest way. If not, then using tivopart, dd, and pfdisk, one can clone the existing drive while increasing the size of the swap partition.
     
  13. WO312

    WO312 Active Member

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    Thanks, irhorer, for all your responses. While I am extremely competent with Windows, I just don't know much about linux. In the old days I upgraded my Tivo's with the linux tools, but nowadays I find winmfs and jfms so much easier.

    At this point, I'm just going to stick with unplugging manually. The only issue comes up when I go away for vacations, and I can just disconnect the tuning adapter for that. I also have a TWC DVR as part of my package, so I already have the SDV channels set up to record there as backup for when the tuning adapter doesn't tune on my Tivo. My only recent surprise was when I discovered that TWC had a regular digital channel on SDV. I thought they only did that for the HD channels. I need to see if I can get a list of the SDV channels here.

    Edit: or, I may just decide to do the channel fix on a regular basis. Same results, but I can do it on my schedule. The only downside is I have to baby sit it a little to click a few times.
     
  14. trackie999

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    I have one of my TivoHds on a timer. It cuts the power between 4:00-4:01AM This Tivo will usually go 3-4 months before it ends up with S03, so I have plenty of time to do a channel fix on my own terms.

     
  15. lrhorer

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    That's LRhorer, not IRhorer, if you please.

    A rather dubious distinction, since the operations of which I speak are trivial under Linux and all but impossible under Windows.

    IMO, something you would do well to rectify for many reasons apart from a desire to fix your TiVo.

    How is it "easier", when they won't do what you want, at all?

    That's a little different issue. Hand managing a TiVo partition takes a little understanding of the hardware, not to mention being a tedious and error-prone process. I had to fix numerous errors (made by me) when rebuilding the partitions on my three TiVos by hand. They were easy to fix, but it was a bit annoying nonetheless.

    Creating a Linux router is trivial, OTOH, and requires very little time and almost no understanding on the part of the user. Perhaps I should qualify that a bit. It takes very little of the user's time. It does take a while to load Linux (although a basic installation takes less time than loading Windows), but most of that time is not required of the user. The installer just asks a few simple questions. The rest of the time is all automated.

    Or you could let the router take care of it for you. Again, it's a trivial pair of two line scripts and a simple edit to /etc/crontab to circumvent the issue.

    I would be very surprised if this were the case. First of all, SD channels take up very little bandwidth. With industry norm rate shaping, there are 12 SD streams in a single QAM dedicated to SD material. After dicounting the more popular channels, that's probably nearly enough to deliver almost all the SD channels on your system. Add to that the fact industry norm rate shaping puts two HD channels and one SD channel per QAM, and I seriously doubt there is only 1 SDV SD channel.
     
  16. lrhorer

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    Gak!! I would never shut down a system that often:

    Code:
    TiVo_HD:/# uptime
     00:05:38 up 47 days, 7 min, load average: 3.76, 3.57, 3.41
     
  17. WO312

    WO312 Active Member

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    Well, excuuuse me, LRhorer. If you want that to be perfectly clear, I would suggest you have a name of Lrhorer or LRhorer instead of lrhorer.

    I'm not going to bother to reply to the rest of your post, but thanks anyway.

    Have a good evening, LRhorer.

    Although I do have to add, just what the hell does unplugging my Tivo from the internet have to do with hand managing Tivo partitions??? Do you even know what I'm talking about??

    Please don't answer those questions.
     
  18. WO312

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    Interesting. So doing a hard reboot daily keeps the S03 away? What does it do for GC??
     
  19. lrhorer

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    You are the one who asked if the swap space could be increased to 2GB without losing programs. It has nothing to do with internet access, but it was suggested it might be a way to clear the issue being discussed.

    What in my responses suggests I do not? In one post, you asked if the swap space could be increased without losing videos, which reportedly may eliminate the issue. In the very next post you said you could unplug the internet connection manually, which evidently temporarily circumvents the issue. Either or both can be readily and easily addressed on a box running Linux. The former requires some small understanding of the Apple partitioning scheme and a couple of third party utilities, plus some small amount of tedious work. The latter requires nothing but a pair of tiny, trivial scripts and a simple modification to /etc/crontab. The rest is automatic, and you needn't worry about going on vacation or which channels are SDV.

    If third party utilities are able to handle increasing the swap to 2G, then they may be sufficient to permanently alleviate the issue. If not then you are left with choosing one of the four remaining options.

    If you don't want questions answered, then don't ask them. I am here for no other reason than to try to assist with this issue. It is not an issue which affects me in any way, and I am not being compensated for my help, good or bad as it may be. The participants of this thread, including you, may take my advice, or leave it. They are all also welcome to seek additional or more detailed help as they deem necessary, or not, and once again this includes you.
     
  20. pninen

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    My TiVo has now been unplugged from internet for >72 hours, and GC has not updated. :mad: Guess I'll give it another day. ???

    Here's the big question: Suddenly this process that used to complete in a short time now takes multiple days. What caused this?

    I'm thinking it has something to do with tuning adapters, but I can't prove it at the moment. There is some interaction between the tuning adapter and the database. The TA changes the way TiVo gets the channel map, so maybe the tuning adapter management code mishandles some database lock or something like that.

    One time I unplugged both the TA and the internet, and the GC happened within a few hours. I haven't tried that again. Anybody else try unplugging the TA?
     

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