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What's wrong with my S3?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by loubob57, Jun 5, 2012.

  1. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    A controller card swap.. Since the drive DOES get power and spins (I can feel it), it seems to me that it's not *completely* unreasonable that the controller died. I do not want to pass on myths, but "supposedly" drive recovery companies often also "just" swap controller cards, and I have seen a few anecdotal examples of people saying they successfully swapped controller cards to 'revive' a drive. (Not a drive on a Tivo, but that part is irrelevant.)

    Though my probably-futile dreams are on hold, because they sent me a Tivo HD instead of an OLED S3. (Looking at the original auction again, there definitely were mentions of BOTH the OLED S3 and Tivo HD model #s, but it also mentioned OLED, 250 GB hard drive, etc... I contacted the seller, and will go through the eBay dispute process if necessary.)

    Heck, if I had access to a clean room, etc., I would even be curious about the latter.. (yes, I know it's "only" TV recordings)
     
  2. unitron

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    Yeah, but they're your TV recordings!
     
  3. loubob57

    loubob57 Cancer sucks! TCF Club

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    I made a backup of my S3 drive and copied onto an old Seagate 1 TB drive I had. The process was pretty easy, but it did take 2 tries to get past a disk error. The old "inode error" that I'm not alone in seeing. Anyhow, I'll see if it works OK as a bedroom TiVo, or maybe sell it to a friend.
     
  4. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    You know that cap you replaced? It was probably in parallel (+ lead connected to same place, - lead connected to same place) with another cap of the same rating.

    Which means that other cap was doing double duty.

    You ordered like 4 of them, right?

    Get the soldering iron back out.

    Can't hurt, might help.

    It doesn't have to show a bulge or a leak to be less than perfect.
     
  5. Hank

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    thread bump ---

    Thanks for all your footwork. Ordered just now! The 2 470uF 16V were back ordered, but I got the rest, plus 2x 2200uF 6.3V caps that weren't on your list, but in my PS.
     
  6. HerronScott

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    In case anyone is looking for a parts list for the original S3 OLED power supply. I posted what I bought in this thread.

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=9131293#post9131293

    TiVo S3 OLED capacitor list:
    3Y power supply: CP-1104 R2
    TiVo PN: SPWR-00008-000 Rev A3

    I went ahead and replaced 11 of the 15 capacitors to hopefully preemptively catch any of the other primary ones that might fail. The ones that I replaced fall into 3 main groups on the power supply board so that's how I've listed them starting with the ones that were bulging on mine.

    C401 2200uF 6.3V Panasonic EEU-FR0J222 Digikey P14365-ND $0.81
    C402 2200uF 6.3V Panasonic EEU-FR0J222 Digikey P14365-ND $0.81

    C601 2200uF 16V Panasonic EEU-FR1C222 Digikey P14402-ND $1.01
    C701 2200uF 25V Panasonic EEU-FR1E222L Digikey P14428-ND $1.43
    C501 3300uF 10V Panasonic EEU-FR1A332 Digikey P14383-ND $1.01
    C502 3300uF 10V Panasonic EEU-FR1A332 Digikey P14383-ND $1.01
    C503 3300uF 10V Panasonic EEU-FR1A332 Digikey P14383-ND $1.01

    C50? 3300uF 10V Panasonic EEU-FR1A332 Digikey P14383-ND $1.01
    C603 470uF 16V Panasonic EEU-FR1C471 Digikey P14394-ND $0.49
    C702 470uF 16V Panasonic EEU-FR1C471 Digikey P14394-ND $0.49
    C403 1000uF 6.3V Panasonic EEU-FM0J102 Digikey P12340-ND $0.51

    All are rated at 10000hrs@105C except for the last 3 which are 6000hrs@105C and 4000hrs@105C. Cost was $9.59 in parts plus $0.48 tax and $4.91 S&H for a total of $14.98.

    Scott
     
  7. unitron

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    As far as I know the original S3 only used the one power supply model, but the S3 HD, and, I suspect therefore the HD XL, used at least 2 different models, so HD owners should open it up before ordering capacitors, not after.
     
  8. HerronScott

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    Actually good thing to know as I just picked up a TiVoHD for my son to take to college and after upgrading the stock 160GB drive to 2TB, I also checked out the power supply and capacitors. This particular power supply was SPWR-00011-000 Rev B0 (model ST7002-BW0G) and looked to be a far simpler design than what's in my 2 S3 OLED units. There were only 6 capactors that I would consider replacing in it versus the 11 in the OLED models.

    Scott
     
  9. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    What brand and model of 2TB drive did you use and has it given any trouble?
     
  10. HerronScott

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    I used a WD20EURS and no trouble so far however my son hasn't used it much so far at school yet since the new season for most shows hasn't started.

    Scott
     
  11. lrhorer

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    Don't you just HATE spending over $5 in shipping and tax to get under $10 worth of materials? :mad:
     
  12. Hank

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    No, what I hate is spending $150 on a replacement hard drive when the HD was fine and the PS was bad.
     
  13. Regardie

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    My Series3 OLED started to have problems pairing with the CableCards on FIOS so I got Verizon to send out a new set. I pulled the TiVo out of the cabinet to get access for the CCs and found it full of dust. So I opened it up and blew out all the dust.

    I put the lid back on it and powered it up, reboot loop. it made me sad.

    So I did what any smart user would do, I turned to the forums to find a solution and I found this thread.

    So I read up on the capacitor problem and sure enough, both my 6.3V, 2200mf caps were bulging.

    So I ordered a full set of caps from Digikey, not quite the list from above, I picked some Rubycon over the Panasonics, (got two sets since I'm sure my other S3 OLED will have the same problem.

    I added the 200v 470mf cap to the list, even though I saw some people say it is fine. I left out the three little ones that don't have a direct bearing on the power rails and were not on the above list either.

    Tonight I took the time to recap the supply and put it all back together, plugged it in and it fired right up. Even the CCs came right up. I will swap out the CCs when I get some time, upgrading from S-card to M-Card to deal with the copy flag on HBO.

    So thanks to everyone who made this $14 plus shippng fix possible.

    I will add that it really is not that hard if you have any skill whatsoever with a soldering iron.
     
  14. Hank

    Hank AC•FTW

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    Interesting. My parents have a Tivo HD, and Verizon just sent them two new CCs. They can't get them paired, so they're having a tech come out on Wednesday. I wonder if their PS is having the same problem. Otherwise, their Tivo *was* working properly. Does anyone have a list of caps for the Tivo HD, so next time I go to my parents, I can fix their PS? Thanks.
     
  15. lrhorer

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    Absolutely. It's not a multi-layer board with hyper-fine traces and the components are not SMDs, with pads that lift off the board if you look at them wrong and form solder bridges just to mess with the technician doing the soldering. They are nice, big, robust pads that can take a lot of abuse, and don't require a magnifying glass, a hair fine soldering tip, or the steady hands of a surgeon.
     
  16. HerronScott

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    Hank,

    I just purchased a TiVoHD for my son and inventoried the power supply for the capacitors used and came up with the list below in case it ever has issues.

    Note that Unitron has indicated that there are at least 2 different models of power supplies for the TiVoHD series so your list could be different. Also, I've not actually ordered or replaced these yet so it would be best if you both check your power supply model to see if it is the same and I'd like to have someone else validate the parts list since I was reading the capacitor sizes in place.

    It is interesting that the TiVoHD power supply has far fewer capacitors than the TiVo S3 OLED.

    TiVoHD capacitor list:
    Acbel Polytech power supply: ST7002-BW0G
    TiVo PN: SPWR-00011-000 Rev B0

    C14 2200uF 16V Panasonic EEU-FR1C222 Digikey P14402-ND $1.01
    C27 2200uF 16V Panasonic EEU-FR1C222 Digikey P14402-ND $1.01
    C?? 2200uF 16V Panasonic EEU-FR1C222 Digikey P14402-ND $1.01
    C31 1000uF 16V Panasonic EEU-FR1C102L Digikey P14397-ND $0.71

    C15 1000uF 6.3V Panasonic EEU-FM0J102 Digikey P12340-ND $0.51
    C20 470uF 16V Panasonic EEU-FR1C471 Digikey P14394-ND $0.49

    All are rated at 10000hrs@105C except for the last 3 which are 9000hrs @105C, 4000hrs@105C and 6000hrs@105C.

    Scott
     
  17. Hank

    Hank AC•FTW

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    Thanks.. it will be a while until I get down there next.
     
  18. unitron

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    There are at least two different models of power supply that have been used in the HD.

    You'll need low ESR, high temp (105 degrees) caps.

    If you go there with 4 3300uF 16V and 4 2200uF 16V, that'll probably cover whatever you find that needs replacing.

    The capacitors that have their negative leads attached to ground/the black wires (via the copper on the bottom of the circuit board)and their positive leads directly connected (via the copper on the bottom of the circuit board) to either the +12V output (the yellow wires) or the +5V output (the red wires) are the ones almost certain to be already bad, going bad, or most likely to go bad.

    A 16V cap is the lowest rating you'd use on a +12V line.

    I'd prefer a 6.3 V or a 10 V on the +5 output, but a 16 V is better than nothing or a bad cap.
     
  19. Hank

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  20. loubob57

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    My S3 has locked up a couple times in the last two days. So I'm gonna head to Fry's and buy the rest of the capacitors to replace all of them on the PS board.
     

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