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What's the monthly cost?? 12.95 or 19.95

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by Toyzruskid1976, Dec 14, 2010.

  1. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    Yes and the current monthly rate for these boxes is $19.95 & I would not expect it to go down.
     
  2. Quake97

    Quake97 New Member

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    Actually, I disagree. It makes the barrier of entry nill. When every cable provider just charges a monthly fee for their DVRs, this will help TiVo when it comes to people that say, "I have to pay for my DVR? Its free from Comcast/Verizon/etc."

    At least on FiOS, their Multi-room DVR is $20/month, same as TiVo. When given the choice of having a TiVo or the FIOS DVR, it's not even a discussion, go for the TiVo.

    Joe
     
  3. MediaLivingRoom

    MediaLivingRoom New Member

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    TiVo needs to stop playing the price game and fix the product.
     
  4. Judremy

    Judremy New Member

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    But is that $20/month for the DVR that can stream to multiple rooms? If so, then that sounds better than the Tivo as you can't stream it to anything but other Tivos. Also, with all the blocking of MRV on Tivos due to the cable companies, you can't MRV that much stuff.
     
  5. orangeboy

    orangeboy yes, I AM orangeboy!

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    While TiVo is not a huge company, I still imagine that there are separate departments for both of those responsibilities.
     
  6. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

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    So these two departments don't communicate? There isn't someone in charge at Tivo?
     
  7. MediaLivingRoom

    MediaLivingRoom New Member

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    Tom Rogers has been sleeping at the helm.
     
  8. orangeboy

    orangeboy yes, I AM orangeboy!

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    Um, why should they? Do you really think the engineers set on fixing the issues care about what the pricing plans are for the product, or the marketing team brainstorming how to get more TiVos out the door are concerned with how to fix the issues at hand?

    And yes, I imagine there is someone in charge at TiVo, and I'm glad it isn't you, if you'd have engineering working on pricing plans and marketing working on product issues. :rolleyes:

    Separate departments. Separate responsibilities.
     
  9. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

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    But there is still a CEO. He is responsible for the overall success of the company. The software has a LOT of issues but the company spends all of its resources on marketing as the "next revolution" and messing around with the price. The product is hardly revolutionary because the software stinks. The pricing has become more confusing than ever.

    They fail at software engineering.
    They fail at marketing.
    They fail at pricing.
     
  10. MediaLivingRoom

    MediaLivingRoom New Member

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    Tom Rogers blame => <= TiVo users blame
     
  11. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I went to the TiVo site and the terms are pretty clear. Unfortunately, I was wrong...

    If you want a different rate you are going to have to call them and enter into another commitment. Not a big deal, but not automatic.
     
  12. plazman30

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    You can buy a Premiere for $299 and pay $12.95 a month or
    You can buy a Premiere for $99 and pay $19.95 a month for a year.

    If you do that, you end up paying $84 more. Add $99 to that and you have bought a TiVo for $183. There is NO WAY they're going to give you a box for $183 when they used to sell for $299.

    Same goes for the 2 year deal. After 2 years, you will have paid $168 for the TiVo instead of $299.

    There is no way both deals don't require ongoing month to month commitments at $19.95 a month.

    I think the only thing you can do after your 1 or 2 years commitment is up is to buy a lifetime subscription for the box.
     
  13. plazman30

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    Sorry, just saw your previous post before I posted my math.

    According to the rep I spoke with, unless the used TiVo Premiere has a receipt dated prior to November 14th OR the TiVo is currently on a $12.95 a month plan with TiVo that they can look up and verify in their system, you're stuck with $19.95 a month forever.

    Sad part is, if you fulfill your commitment and then try to sell the TiVo used, they'll see in their system is either is or was on a $19.95 plan and probably won't let you activate it at the cheaper rate.

    This whole thing is royally screwing the used TiVo Premiere market. There are a bunch of people in my area selling new in box Premieres they got as presents and didn't want, and have no receipt and couldn't unload them before November 14th. They wanted $199 for them, but now they'll be lucky to get $50.
     
  14. orangeboy

    orangeboy yes, I AM orangeboy!

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    I don't understand your math.

    Here are the numbers and equations from the policy page I linked to earlier:


    |- Commitment cost -| + | TiVo| = |Total cost|
    $19.99 x 12 = $239.88 + $ 99.99 = $339.87 (i)
    $19.99 x 24 = $479.76 + $ 00.00 = $479.76 (ii)
    $12.95 x 12 = $155.40 + $299.99 = $455.39 (iii) or
    $399.99 x 1 = $399.99 + $299.99 = $699.98 (iii)

    Further math shows that compared with the PLS plan:
    (i)
    will take ~18 months @$19.99 to match the price of PLS, making PLS a more economical choice after ~30 months of owning the box
    or if the "then current" rate is back down to $12.95,
    will take ~28 months @$12.95 to match the price of PLS, making PLS a more economical choice after ~40 months of owning the box

    (ii)
    will take ~11 months @$19.99 to match the price of PLS, making PLS a more economical choice after ~35 months of owning the box
    or if the "then current" rate is back down to $12.95,
    will take ~17 months @$12.95 to match the price of PLS, making PLS a more economical choice after ~41 months of owning the box

    (iii)
    will take ~19 months @$12.95 to match the price of PLS, making PLS a more economical choice after ~31 months of owning the box
     
  15. plazman30

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    Wow, my math was done like this and it probably wrong:

    Regular montly rate is $12.95. New monthly rate is $19.99. Difference per month is $7.04. $7.04x12=$84.48. Box costs $99. Therefore after your one year commitment, you have paid:

    $12.95x12=$155.40
    $7.04x12=$84.48
    box price=$99.99

    So, if you figure that you're paying an EXTRA $7.04 a month, and you have a one year commitment, the price of the box under the new plan is $99.99+$84.48=$184.47

    That means the box is $115.52 cheaper than it is now. There is no way TiVo is going to let you go on a $12.95/month plan when they still have $115.52 to recoup.

    Does this math make any sense, or do I need to re-enroll in Kindergarten?
     
  16. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    I think you guys should forget about the math. People who buy stuff on time don't do it because it is cheaper.

    Thanks,
     
  17. orangeboy

    orangeboy yes, I AM orangeboy!

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    Ok, I'm with ya so far!
    Shouldn't that be $99.99+$84.48=$184.47+$155.40=$339.87 because you still have to pay the regular commitment cost as well?
    I think TiVo's expectation is that you will continue to use their Service after the initial commitment has lapsed, and will recoup the $115.52 after only ~9 months at $12.95, or ~6 months at $19.99. 9 additional months of continued use of their Service doesn't seem too unreasonable of an expectation.

    If you cancel the Service after the commitment has elapsed, sure TiVo will lose out on the box, but you'll basically have a doorstop/paperweight/brick after that time and effort. TiVo's history (from Earnings Results) shows that TiVo doesn't plan or expect positive revenue from their hardware.
     
  18. orangeboy

    orangeboy yes, I AM orangeboy!

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    You should hide your ignorance. I'm embarrassed for you. :(
    Code:
                                      TIVO INC.
                   CONDENSED CONSOLIDATED STATEMENTS OF OPERATIONS
                  (In thousands, except per share and share amounts)
                               Three Months Ended         Nine Months Ended
                                   October 31,               October 31,
                            ------------------------  ------------------------
                                2010         2009         2010         2009
                            -----------  -----------  -----------  -----------
        Research and
         development (1)         20,446       15,370       58,400       44,794
        Sales and
         marketing (1)            6,157        5,727       20,539       16,885
        Sales and
         marketing, subscription
         acquisition costs        1,398        1,206        5,955        3,026
        General and
         administrative (1)      16,162       11,165       41,962       34,634
    
     
  19. smbaker

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    I'm assuming those numbers are in thousands, so are we saying they honestly spent 58 million dollars in research and development this year, and still there has been no progress on the Premiere since launch?
     
  20. orangeboy

    orangeboy yes, I AM orangeboy!

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    I updated my post to include that yes, that those number are in thousands.

    I wouldn't say there has been "no" progress. At launch, the software was 14.1. 14.7 has been limitedly released. Pandora has been introduced. Fewer lockups have been reported here at TCF. Speed has been improved, but further improvements are definitely needed. Dunno about other improvements, but I'm sure there are some threads here that detail them.

    Sign up at the Field Trials site. I'm sure TiVo would love to have your valuable input.
     

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