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What were they thinking?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by k2ue, Sep 19, 2013.

  1. k2ue

    k2ue Retired RF Engineer

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    What was TiVo thinking when the they decided weak IR performance was OK, because they would also have a fast RF remote -- that nobody else supports with a universal remote AND is non-learning??? And you can't buy extra proprietary remotes. WTF?
     
  2. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    The Roamio does support other remotes, it works with all universals and recognizes IR signals from my Harmony One without much fuss. If you don't get enough of a signal to it you can contemplate plugging in an IR USB relay, etc, to improve the performance.

    I imagine that 99% of users will only use the RF remote anyway, and only one of them.
     
  3. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    And you will be able to buy extra remotes eventually I imagine and that is even if you exclude the Roamio Slide remote.
     
  4. elwaylite

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    I actually prefer the fast RF remotes that come with Dish and now the Tivo, over a Harmony One. Main reason I have a Harmony is to turn everything on and off at once, ease to change input, and WAF (mostly this). I tend to use OEM remotes.
     
  5. k2ue

    k2ue Retired RF Engineer

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    How well things work is more subtle: My ceiling mounted Epson projectors have always been less reponsive that my other gear, but system on/off worked OK if you favored the Epson when pointing. Now I have two fussy devices, and you can't favor both. All my other gear is way more sensitive. I also note the the Roamio "Epson" TV Power code will NOT power switch to 5020, so using the Roamio Remote alone is not really an option.
     
  6. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    So plug in a $5 USB IR extender and bring it up to a more central location in your setup.
     
  7. k2ue

    k2ue Retired RF Engineer

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    Got it, the Roamio is perfect in every way, fanboys only welcome.
     
  8. markp99

    markp99 TakoKichi TCF Club

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    Really? Go figure there would be TiVo fanboys on a site like this. ;)
     
  9. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    Wow. Where did you see that? I'll remember that next time you ask a question... oh, right, you're just here to *****.
     
  10. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    That seems like a fairly harsh response to someone giving you a potential solution to your problem, even if his response seemed a little flippant to you. The fact that your TiVo doesn't work well with a non-TiVo IR remote where you have placed it may or may not mean the Roamio's ability to be used with IR remotes is at fault. My Roamio works just fine with my Premiere's IR remote 15+ feet away.
     
  11. k2ue

    k2ue Retired RF Engineer

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    No one actually saw fit to acknowledge the factual content of my first post:

    1. The Roamio is less sensitive to IR -- others have noted this, not just me.
    2. No spare remotes are available.
    3. There is no learning mode on Roamio remote, and it does not operate some devices comonly used with TiVo's

    IR repeaters are great when your equipment is totally hidden, but when it has some direct exposure there are multipath and oscillation problems. And there is no "$5" repeater.
     
  12. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    If you are willing to take the cover off your Roamio you can add some black tape to hold the IR Plexiglas tube closer to the mounted motherboard IR receiver, worked for me.
     
  13. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    Interesting so is this just a Plus/Pro issue? My basic Roamio seems to work fine with IR.
     
  14. k2ue

    k2ue Retired RF Engineer

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    I wasn't anxious to open up a new unit, but that is the most constructive suggestion I have received, so I will do that. Thanks.
     
  15. k2ue

    k2ue Retired RF Engineer

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    Could be -- the case and front panel are different.
     
  16. mike1273

    mike1273 New Member

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    My IR remotes going back to 2004 work 15feet away just fine.

    I cannot get my Plus remote to turn on my 2008 Sony tv but it will turn it off an control volume.
     
  17. kbmb

    kbmb Active Member

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    Yeah, clearly a design flaw with the IR receiver.....the Roamio is much less sensitive than most any other device I've seen. Even with a good universal remote and new batteries.....we still experience issues with button presses if we are pointing directly at the unit.

    Interesting about opening the cover......not sure I want to go that route quite yet. Does that void the warranty?

    -Kevin
     
  18. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Only if you admit to actually doing it...
    ;)
     
  19. ShoutingMan

    ShoutingMan Member

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    I really like the responsiveness of the new tivo RF remote. However, I prefer even more having a single remote to control everything.

    The One has always been slower than manufacturer-provided remotes. But the total solution wins for me (and especially my wife)
     
  20. apw2607

    apw2607 New Member

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    Having used both the plus and the base with my sony universal IR remote for the last couple of weeks there maybe something in this OP. I have found that the base just seems to work better and seems more responsive to my universal remotes IR commands. There's being times when the plus just seems to have gone to sleep and it takes a few remote button presses to get it going. My experience so far at least.
     

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