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What UPS to get for TIVO HD

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by ghuido, Oct 4, 2010.

  1. Oct 4, 2010 #1 of 56
    ghuido

    ghuido New Member

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    Please excuse if this was asked and answered before. i did some searches and did not find anything.

    I had a temporary power outage (1/2 sec) while I was watching something on Netflix on my TIVO HD. Let's just say it was not a fun experience to watch everything reboot on me in the middle of the show. Then have the WELCOME screen come up.

    I figured it is time a get some UPS (Uninterrupted Power Supply/Battery Backup) to prevent this from happening. I've seen a lot of post with people saying this is a great idea. Have a couple of questions?

    - What have people gotten for the TIVO HD as a UPS? I hear APC is good manuf.
    - What is the Wattage requiremetn for the TIVO HD and the WD Expander?
    - Has anyone connected their TV to a battery backup? I figure the wattage requirements would be so massive it would trip the UPS to overload and not be worth it.
    - Any issues with overheating if a place it in a closed cabinet?
    - Notice that the Surge Rating on UPS are not as high as normal surge protectors 400-300 Range Versus 1,000 Range (E.g. Triplite). Anybody see an issue with that?

    Any advice is appreciated and welcomed.
     
  2. Oct 4, 2010 #2 of 56
    jbell73

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    I would recommend a 350-500 VA UPS unit. I use APC, purchased for cheap when on-sale at office depot or staples.

    I think my 500 VA unit kept my TiVo Hd and TiVo S3 up (both on one UPS) and running for about 20 minutes when I was doing maintenance on an electrical outlet.

    The UPS will also help save the drive and/or power supply life as well. A stable power supply is a happy TiVo! I only run the TiVo on the UPS, others (SDV Adapters, Slingbox, etc...) are on standard power. I just want to preserve the TiVo. Not too concerned about the recordings.

    -JBell73
     
  3. Oct 4, 2010 #3 of 56
    jmill

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  4. Oct 4, 2010 #4 of 56
    donnoh

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    I have a UPS on both of my Tivo's. One is a 500VA and the other is 550VA. Your Tivo is the only device you need to put on it, a good surge suppressor will take care of everything else.
    Unless you've got a battery the size of Texas you're not going to run your A/V system off of a UPS for very long, it's best to just let the Tivo record as long as it can.
     
  5. Oct 4, 2010 #5 of 56
    steve614

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    It really depends on how you plan to deal with power outages.

    If you're only going to use one for the Tivos to keep them from losing power, then get the cheaper 350VA UPS.

    If you plan on being able to keep watching TV with surround sound or you want to anticipate an extra long power outage, get the biggest you can find.
     
  6. Oct 4, 2010 #6 of 56
    Resist

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    I have been using the Tripp-Lite Omni 1000LCD with the blue LCD for years that I purchased from Costco for $99. Then a few years later I replaced it with the same model but the newer version with an amber LCD, which is much better on the eyes.

    The only thing I don't like about the unit is that during a power outage this UPS alerts you with an audible alarm, which you can silence. But when the UPS battery is depleted, the only way to stop the alarm is to turn the UPS off. This is very annoying when you lose power in the middle of the night and have several of these in your home.
     
  7. Oct 4, 2010 #7 of 56
    Robbdoe1

    Robbdoe1 Tivo Obsessed

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    I got this one for my THD:

    http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/911559/APC-Back-UPS-ES-550-Battery/

    Staples has it for $49 this week. I run my THD and my 32" Vizio LCD and I have my DVD player on it. I have not timed it yet but I pulled the plug the other day and it ran the TV and the Tivo for over a minute. I got it to correct the power glitches we have in my area.

    Robb
     
  8. Oct 4, 2010 #8 of 56
    drevilkep

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    750va is WAY overkill for a TiVo that only uses 35 watts. Remember: VA doesn't translate into runtime directly. Battery size is the biggest factor there and most consumer UPSes are designed to run for about 20 mins or so. A 750 VA UPS will still only run about 40 minutes, even with no load.
     
  9. Oct 4, 2010 #9 of 56
    jmill

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    750VA for TiVo + TV + AV Receiver for 15-20 minutes is sufficient.

    If he connects only TiVo, than 350VA-550VA should be enough. Further, if you'll read the original post carefully, the guy is asking about connecting TV to BackUPS.
     
  10. ThreeSoFar

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  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Just an FYI, but be very careful when doing electrical work with a UPS still running. They can actually insert current back into the line and deliver you a nasty, unexpected, shock even though the breaker is off. (this happened to a friend of mine)

    I personally use a big 1500VA UPS to run 4 TiVos, a cable box, 3 tuning adapters, 2 esata hard drives and a cable amplifier (basically every thing I need to keep the TiVos recording) and it keeps everything running for almost an hour.

    Dan
     
  12. Resist

    Resist New Member

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    It was my understanding that Costco got rid of their lifetime warranty on electronics, because of the abuse.
     
  13. ThreeSoFar

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    Nope. A few things, yes, but not "electronics", per se.
     
  14. ThreeSoFar

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    Also be careful about grounding. Unplugging your UPS is not a safe or effective way to test how long it lasts on battery, as it and likely some of your electronics are expecting that ground to be there.
     
  15. restart88

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    One option to keep the Tivo & TV running during a longer outage might be a low end solar power system for about $300 on Amazon. I've been considering it myself longer term. Not sure how much more load the cheaper systems could handle but from the comments it should work. But I'd still like at least a cheap UPS/ surge suppressor, just in case. Good habits die just as hard as bad ones. LOL
     
  16. etz

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    any recommendations for a source of replacement batteries? I have an APC UPS whose battery is shot and it would be nice to get it working again on the cheap.
     
  17. ghuido

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    Wow ... thanks everyone for the recommendations and advice.

    I'm thinking of going with an APC 350-550 Range for the TIVO HD and the WD Expander.

    Everything else I'll keep on the massive tripllite surge protector I have.
     
  18. tiassa

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    I just replaced the battery on one of the UPS's on my server desk from these guys http://www.planetbattery.com/ there were some other places that were a little cheaper but these guys were near to me which kept shipping charges down (something to consider when buying SLA's) and that also means that I got it quicker (I should have replaced this one a couple of months before I actually did).

    As for which UPS to get I've been using the likely precursor to the one that Robbdoe1 posted it is an APC 500 VA. I have the Tivo, Expander, Amplifier and TV (46" LCD) plugged into it. My theory is if I'm home, watching TV and we lose power, I'll put the Tivo in standby (so I need the Amp and TV to have power) then shut everything down. If I'm not home, it is unlikely that the TV or Amp will be on (unless the cats figure out how to work the remote) and the Tivo and Expander will be the only draw. In this configuration I've been able to watch TV without power for 5 minutes or so, and the UPS has powered the Tivo and Expander in excess of 30 minutes, which is much longer than the typical outages we have in my neighborhood (we lose power for a few minutes probably once a month or so).
     
  19. Robbdoe1

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    Very good point.

    If I do time test my setup I will switch the breaker off instead of pulling the plug. This way the house ground stays intact.

    Robb
     
  20. Robbdoe1

    Robbdoe1 Tivo Obsessed

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    Online:
    http://www.newark.com

    http://www.digikey.com/?cshift_ck=2144264081cs511157916&WT.srch=1&tid=511157916

    http://www.apexbattery.com/

    Online and Local:
    http://www.batteriesplus.com/

    I prefer the last one as I have a great relationship with the owner and I pay no shipping. I'm not sure if you have a local store near you or not.

    Robb
     

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