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What is the difference between Tivo and Windows Media Center?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by dtivouser, Dec 28, 2013.

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  1. Jan 11, 2014 #81 of 312
    duckman2000

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    My point is that it should know if a show's airing is the first airing in my geographical area. My local software should know if a show has already been recorded, preventing duplicates. This is all simple database stuff. The software and technology is there to make the Guide better and more reliable, but whoever has the power and ability to make the guide implementation better and more reliable chooses not to. If Guide data is to blame and local software can't correct duplicates/errors then get better Guide data.

    For no family complaints, no duplicates, no weeding through duplicates to delete, better guide, I would rather pay, oh say 50 cents a day, for a TiVo subscription.
     
  2. Jan 11, 2014 #82 of 312
    slowbiscuit

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    Yep, it's way more than the guide data, it's how the software uses it to decide whether or not to record. In that respect Tivo is superior to WMC (and really just about every other DVR), without a doubt.
     
  3. Jan 11, 2014 #83 of 312
    mr.unnatural

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    The guide data indicates the original air date of any given program. There is no differentiation as to geographical location. If something airs in the UK on the BBC before it airs on BBC America, guess which date is listed? The guide data is accurate in this regard. WMC doesn't provide the guide data, Zap2it does. ***** to them about it if it bothers you because it's got nothing to do with WMC. Once you realize this you can easily deal with any issues of duplicate recordings for these types of shows.

    WMC will indicate any show as a repeat if the original air date is different than the date being recorded because it actually is a repeat. I just don't understand why so many of you are not grasping this concept. If Tivo doesn't list it that way then they are clearly tweaking the guide data for you. You're paying for the privilege of using their guide data so it's nice to see that you're getting something for your money.

    Guide data is free with WMC so I can live with the extremely minor inconvenience I have to deal with. You get what you pay for, but I still get a lot for my money. It's pretty easy to figure out which shows are being shown in the US after they've aired elsewhere. I tend to get them via torrents during the initial run instead of recording them later. I'm already up to episode 8 of Lost Girl. The second episode is being aired on the SyFy channel on 1/20/2014 and is being shown as a repeat. The original air date is listed in the guide as 11/17/2013. The fact that I watched it about six weeks ago via torrent confirms the fact that it is a repeat. I just checked my torrent site and the file was posted on 11/17/2013. This original air date is also confirmed by epguides.com.

    I'm sorry, but it appears people are complaining because WMC is providing accurate guide data, but not that the Tivo data is potentially lying to you just for your convenience? :confused:
     
  4. Jan 11, 2014 #84 of 312
    trip1eX

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    There are lots of little differences between the way Tivo and WMC handle recording tv. But overall they time shift tv shows, have a tv guide, ways to automate the time shifting of tv shows and ways to find the shows you recorded. As long as you aren't too fussy or particular they both are quite capable of doing that job in terms of functionality.

    The big difference between the two is one is an appliance and one is more of a project/hobby. The project can be appliance like at times after the project is initially completed and then refined after some months of use, but still seems best suited for those with a computer hobbyist at home. One who can quickly fix any niggling issues the project may have and enjoys fixing those issues.


    A few years ago I thought WMC was the way to go. I didn't like the Premiere. It was only 2 tuners at the time. It lacked responsiveness. Netflix app crashed. Menus still in SD. I was surprised at how so much of it seemed like a backward step from the great experience I had with the Series 2. No extenders either. You had to buy a PRemiere for each tv. So I tried the WMC route. 4 tuners was a godsend as was having a cheap extender. For less money I got more. I even put a 4 core i5 in my machine. This baby was fast. I could also use as a computer. And surprise, it had its positives on how it handled recorded tv compared to a Tivo too. That's why I currently have a WMC setup.

    But now? Roamio is the way to go. Roamio has corrected most of the negatives of the Premiere. IT is much more responsive by all accounts than the Premiere was. Tivo has 6 tuners now as many as 1 cablecard can support. Switching hard drives is easy. Tivo has extenders now. It does mobile streaming outta the box. And more.... On top of that MS dropped support of WMC. And potential improvements to the WMC ecosystem from 3rd parties, like small, quiet and efficient extenders from Ceton, haven't been up to snuff to say the least.

    I don't see a reason to choose anything but a Tivo Roamio today. IF you do think of one then you are one of those exceptions to the rule. Like I want 20 tuners and 20 tb of recording space and I already have 4 xbox 360s at home and I like monkeying around with computers.
     
  5. Jan 12, 2014 #85 of 312
    heyted

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    For me, one of the main reasons is the price. A Roamio can be over $1000 for some people with no other extenders or other hardware. Yes, there is resell value, but many people do not want -- and end up not going through -- that hassle.
     
  6. Jan 12, 2014 #86 of 312
    slowbiscuit

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    No, we're complaining once again that you're intent on glossing over real differences and advantages that Tivo has over WMC for some people because they don't affect you personally. See a pattern here? Don't turn into Bigg.
     
  7. Jan 12, 2014 #87 of 312
    mr.unnatural

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    I guess you didn't notice the confusion emoticon at the end of that statement because I'm confused about what the issue is here. Perhaps there is a disconnect in the discussion regarding guide data that I'm missing? If so, I wish you would enlighten us as to any facts that have not been presented.

    I've been trying to explain how WMC gets guide data and how it evolves as the air date grows near. I'm also trying to get a grasp on the duplicate recording issue that's discussed so maybe we're just not on the same page as to what's going on. I'm starting to get the feeling that the discussion is going in two entirely different directions on the same topic and I'd like to make sure we're all talking about the same thing. I'm not trying to gloss over anything with regards to either platform.

    I'm not sure what you're referring to with respect to what affects me personally in this discussion other than the USB drive scenario. I've been trying to avoid anything along this line and keep the discussion relevant to the differences between the two platforms and keep my personal feelings out of it. If I swayed from this line of thought then I apologize as it was never my intent to do so. The last thing I want is another WMC vs. Tivo pissing contest.

    And that's the second time today you accused me of being like Bigg. :mad:
     
  8. Jan 12, 2014 #88 of 312
    Bigg

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    Bigg

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    On the guide data issue, MCE's guide data sucks, but TiVo's has gone downhill in the last decade as well.
     
  10. Jan 12, 2014 #90 of 312
    mr.unnatural

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    Thanks, slowbiscuit. You had to go and poke the bear. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Jan 13, 2014 #91 of 312
    Bigg

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    I actually just went on the forum by chance. My first hand experience with both platforms, and realization that MCE sucks bigtime is useful info for the OP.
     
  12. Jan 13, 2014 #92 of 312
    mr.unnatural

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    Not useful at all since your skewed opinion has no bearing on the thread topic. Now, shoo. Go away. The grownups are trying to have a conversation. :p
     
  13. Jan 14, 2014 #93 of 312
    CrispyCritter

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    And who might that be??? Both of you are acting quite immaturely, with both of you insisting that your own personal experiences hold much more widely than they do. You have a skewed opinion also, that you have by now repeated much more often than Bigg has.

    You have no right to tell somebody to "go away".
     
  14. Jan 14, 2014 #94 of 312
    lessd

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    If anybody reading this Thread has not gotten the answer they need after 93 posts, they will never get the answer, this Thread should be closed and not turn into name calling.
     
  15. Jan 14, 2014 #95 of 312
    mr.unnatural

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    My opinion may be skewed, but not 100% negative like Bigg's. He insists that WMC should never be used by anyone, period, because he could never get it to work for him. I have always supported Tivos and I will continue to do so as they are by far the best standalone DVR platform available. I just think that WMC offers more features than a Tivo. They both have their pros and cons and that's what thread was intended to discuss.

    I told Bigg to go away because once he gets involved in the conversation it tends to deteriorate rather quickly. I'm certainly not blameless for past flamefests, but I'm doing my best to keep any current threads from heading in that direction.

    FYI, I have never injected my opinion into a thread on this topic unless someone else has opened the door on a discussion of WMC. My opinion is all it is and anyone following threads such as this would know that by now. I've never tried to force it on anyone as gospel or convert them from being a Tivo user. Use whatever platform works for you.
     
  16. Jan 14, 2014 #96 of 312
    CrispyCritter

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    I have no objection to your opinion injection into these threads; I view your opinion as a valuable contribution to the community of an alternative they may not have thought much about. But I would point out two things:
    1. Every deteriorating thread has you responding at length to Bigg in the deteriorating part.
    2. IMO, the majority of the time that it deteriorates down to the personal attack level (like now), it is you and not Bigg that takes it that far down.

    Both of these can be avoided.
     
  17. Jan 14, 2014 #97 of 312
    mr.unnatural

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    I can't argue with anything you're saying because it is true. Like I said, I'm doing my best to avoid any further such transgressions on my part. There was no personal attack on Bigg or anyone else, just a friendly jab (as indicated by the emoticon and the brevity of my response).
     
  18. Jan 14, 2014 #98 of 312
    Bigg

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    I'm sorry that you don't think my first hand experience on the topic is worth anything, even though that's what this thread is about.

    However, it is relevant to this thread, and I posted it, so the OP can learn from my mistakes and misconceptions about the [lack of] ability of MCE to be a useful and functional DVR system.
     
  19. Jan 14, 2014 #99 of 312
    dtivouser

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    OP here. Twice now, I've come close to hitting the button to just close the thread. I haven't requested it because I am (slowly) building my own HTPC right now and hope to bring back stories about what I learn.
     
  20. lessd

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    Good for you, I hope you are successful as the more options people have the better things are.
     
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