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What can a TIVO Mini do without an epg?

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by IRJ, Jul 19, 2014.

  1. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    You say it's simple, buy it or not. But you left out a third option... whine about it, beat your head against the wall, and piss uphill. :D

    Thank you. I was very specific when I said cell phone and not smart phone.
     
  2. dcline414

    dcline414 New Member

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    Good point. I concur.

    It may not be a fair pricing model, but buyers know the deal going in. If you want a no-monthly-fee product then those are available too.
     
  3. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    OK you got me there, I will have to look into those other options to get my RR :D
     
  4. IRJ

    IRJ New Member

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    In selling a product the price is a huge consideration.
    1) On the one hand if you price it HIGH you sell only a relative few but on those you make a large profit margin.
    2) On the other hand you price lower and you sell far more and at the right price while you make less profit per sale you actually make MORE money because of the numbers you sell. You may even sell more base Romais as the whole package becomes more competitive.

    TIVO is aware of this price equation because they "offer" discounts on a very regular basis for their base units. So why not just price Minis competitively and be done with in.

    Frankly I just bought my second TIVO, A Romaio Pro, on a discount offer. However because I wanted to add two Minis also that's an additional $500.00. I am lucky enough that I can afford it, but it does give me reason to ponder the value equation. And wonder whether I might just move from a 3 tuner CC (SiliconDevices Prime unit) with WMC to a Ceton 6 tuner (around$200) and add a second XBox360 ($100.00).
     
  5. jrtroo

    jrtroo User

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    Each mini partially erodes additional revenue from a second box. They need to factor that into the equation, folks wanting two tivos, or a mini at all, require someone already invested in the infrastructure. Losing the margin between the two boxes is a big deal when figuring out the pricing strategy.

    So, they are priced competitively, against another full-fledged tivo. There is no other competition once you are in the door. In your example you adding 2 minis at $500 is a big difference between adding two roamios or even premiers.

    Tivo discounts most often stink, on a regular basis.
     
  6. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    Other things to consider when comparing Roku to the Mini
    • Roku sells 20-30 times more units than the Mini - much greater economies of scale
    • Roku has never made a profit (neither has TiVo really, except for legal patent settlements. Hard to say they charge too much)
    • For a normal cable customer, Roku offers greater opportunities, but doesn't replace a cable box at a TV. The Mini does, offering a savings of $7/month and up to most cable customers over a cable company box.

    Edit: Forgot one of the big ones: Roku gets a substantial amount of money from some of the stream providers it offers. TiVo doesn't.
     
  7. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    So? They are a commercial enterprise, not a non-profit organization, so pretty much their whole reason for being is to "make money."
     
  8. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Contrary to what most people think, the free enterprise system always guarantees that you will pay the highest price the market will bear for everything.

    TiVo used to sell their hardware at deeper discounts than today and charge less for service. They almost went out of business. Today, they sell the hardware at about break even, and charge much more for the service, yet (excluding the phased recognition of damages from lawsuits) they still barely break even. So, low prices didn't drive any economies of scale. The retail TiVo, compared to a cable company's DVR, is really more like a high end vehicle like a Lexus or BMW versus a Fiat or Kia. They all do the same basic things, but the TiVo, like the Lexus, costs more because it is "better" than the alternative, in some peoples' opinion. Is there a "value equation" for buying a Lexus instead of a Kia? Perhaps, perhaps not.

    The simple story is that without the Mini the only way to get its functionality is with a full TiVo DVR. The cost for that is much more (both for hardware and service) than the costs associated with a Mini. Rather than looking at it as "$100 for a Mini and it does nothing without service" I would submit it would be better seen as "it does everything a TiVo DVR does at half the price or less, and costs less than half as much for the service."
     
  9. tarheelblue32

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    That's kind of a ridiculous statement, as for it to be completely true it would require that we live in a world where everyone always has perfect information, which we don't.
     
  10. lessd

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    The statement also leaves out the questions of sales that products have, like the flash sale of the Roamio Plus with Lifetime for $600, retail $400 for the Roamio +, and $500 for Lifetime Service = $900. I don't know how many people pay the $500 for Lifetime Service but I have to assume some people do or the price ($500) would be eliminated.
     
  11. jrtroo

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    Did nobody take economics in high school? Prices can be out of equilibrium for a period to help drive sales, it is the intent.
     
  12. lessd

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    True, but co. that prices incorrectly for long periods of time will go out of business one way or another. Look at what happened to Macy's department store that tried to do, every day low price with no sales, did not work.
     
  13. dianebrat

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    Pretty sure you're thinking of JC Penny in this case.
     
  14. tarheelblue32

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    Costco sells most of their stuff for below market prices and is still profitable.
     
  15. SullyND

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    My understanding is the membership fee is Costco's profit.
     
  16. swak

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    I am thinking about replacing a lifetime premiere box (and selling it) with a mini to eliminate one of the two cable cards I have. (keeping my roamio which has a cablecard).

    In the long run the mini will pay for itself. :D
     
  17. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    But that's just it. TiVo doesn't cost more. It actually costs less in the long run. In the seven years I've had FiOS. It would have cost me easily over $1k to have been using their DVRs. The same goes for Comcast in my area. TiVo has cost me less money and provided me more. It just has a higher upfront cost. But in my area it is easily less expensive than the cable company in the long run.
     
  18. lessd

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    You could be correct, but it was one department store that changed their pricing model and it did not work.

    Costco has their own type of pricing with membership fees that does work.
     
  19. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    True...in the long run. Most people don't look at the long term...they see a $1000 price tag on a Roamio Pro with lifetime service and decide that the cable company DVR isn't so bad after all.

    If we couldn't buy TiVos with lifetime service there would have been no point in switching from DirecTV to FiOS. The monthly cost for hardware to service all of our TVs would have put DirecTV and FiOS within a $10/month difference in total cost (once the new customer discounts expire).

    So, in a very real way, Verizon gained an additional customer because of TiVo.

    Hey Verizon, can you hear me now??? :)
     
  20. DancyMunchkin

    DancyMunchkin New Member

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    Contact your local cable company and ask them what they charge/month for a second DVR.

    The trivial things that 'shock' some people never cease to amaze me.
     

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