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We've begun updating TiVo Stream for out-of-home streaming

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by TiVoMargret, Nov 6, 2013.

  1. noone3000

    noone3000 New Member

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    Testing this further, the live streaming video quality is still fairly poor. Football players who are running still look like a blocky mess.

    I guess the alternative is to download it to your i-device for a 1/2 hour at Medium quality and then start watching it. That really seems like the only option to achieve decent quality video watching, but who wants to wait that long to watch a program since you have to leave your i-device on with the app open for it to continue to download.

    I really want this device to work.......
     
  2. geekmedic

    geekmedic TiVo Fanatic TCF Club

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    Maybe it's because I have an iPad Mini (instead of a full-size iPad), or maybe it's because I have a faster internet connection, but I've streamed shows from home to work and to various hotels/resorts while on vacation, and I do not have the poor video quality/pixelation issues. It works great, which I'm very thankful for. Not sure if there is a certain setting that helps with it, rebooting your cable modem, etc. Mine starts off bad for the first 1-2 seconds then clears up.
     
  3. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Watching a regular show I found the quality to be quite good! Definitely watchable... I don't watch football, but with the fast action and as much scope in view I can see how the details might wash out. But I really didn't see any evidence of it during my viewing.

    Have you used a slingbox? Can you compare?
     
  4. Bulldawg9908

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    Seems to be working now. Deleted the app and re-installed. Maybe the original upgrade didn't work properly.
     
  5. MikePA1

    MikePA1 New Member

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    And of course, you're privy to the requirements the cable companies have defined that TiVo has to comply with? Oh, that's right, you're not. You're assuming TiVo doesn't do it just to annoy you and piss off their customers. Makes perfect sense :rolleyes:
     
  6. SugarBowl

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    The out of home streaming is actually working pretty good for me. But the in-home streaming has become almost unusable. The picture usually freezes up within the first 20 secs of streaming. And several times, when I look at the System Information for streaming, the status says Precondition Failed.
     
  7. tre74

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    In home streaming works beautifully for me. I tried it out of home today. The quality of the stream made me long for the days of VHS. It was s--t.
     
  8. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Yup. Sling is much better at streaming. But downloading medium quality and letting it buffer a little and then watch while it's downloading gives good quality with the iOS App.
     
  9. mattack

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    Did this now go live for everyone? Last night, on my iPad, I was having problems (will describe in a minute), and did the Setup thing to hopefully fix things.. it showed setup for out of home streaming as one of the options. Since I'm on a WiFi only iPad I'm not likely to take outside, I left that unchecked. (I'll enable it on my iPhone at some point.)

    So last night, I was having problems very similar to what others described in the past -- you could watch/download ONE thing, but further attempts would do nothing. (For me, they would stay at 0 bytes transferred.) I unplugged the Tivo Stream once, that seemed to fix it again for one more thing.. then it got into that state again..

    Even trying the Test Streaming option would just show 5 4 3 2 1 5 4 3 2 1 5 4 3 2 1 forever (apparently).
     
  10. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    Because you are literally making a copy of the content *TO* stream it.
     
  11. apw2607

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    All the testing I've done the quality is excellent, surely this is dependent on your ISPs upload speed ? Most of them cripple upload.

    I've got a solid 75mb/s upload.
     
  12. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    For me even with quality indicator lighting up all but the last circle, artifacts were very plainly visible on my iPad Air while streaming. Switching to Slingbox 350 with same WiFi connection it is very obvious how much better picture quality is. So to me, OOH streaming doesn't cut it. However, downloads at medium quality or higher are acceptable and that's how I'll use the Stream away from home.
     
  13. Devx

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    This is how majority (at least the ones I've seen) of app developers handle their apps on iOS. There is one entry in the app store with a version that is optimized and works for iPhone and iPad. Although I suppose it would be possible, but not ideal, to use the iPhone version on the iPad as well to avoid the additional cost. With most apps, this isn't a concern the end user has to consider. Admittedly, its an unofficial standard, but precedent is there.
     
  14. Devx

    Devx New Member

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    It was Tivo personnel or the support page that mentioned the last circle won't fill in until Tivo releases the direct stream option. Until then, streaming via their proxy as middle-man, that is the best we can get.

    Not singling you out moyekj. In general, it will be difficult to prove if the Tivo proxy is throttling the connection or interfering in any other way until they release the direct stream update next year and we can compare. Even those with higher uploads may be getting reduced after the traffic leaves the Tivo proxy which would negate the speed of the ISP over that threshold. At the least, elimination of the proxy would get rid of additional latency and overhead of a 3rd party overseeing all communication.
     
  15. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    No, I assume that Tivo's priorities lie with their MSO partners because of their revenue streams, not with their retail customers that they lose money on. This isn't the first questionable decision they've made that would appear to be at odds with the retail side of the house, noob. Given that you just signed up here, you might not know that they screwed over TWC et al customers for years because they wouldn't do streaming or move recordings between boxes.
     
  16. SugarBowl

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    On an iPhone 5, if you turn on Airplay to an AppleTv, (no mirroring) the audio plays on the apple tv, but the video still plays on the iPhone.

    However, if you look at the stream's webpage, on the list of connected clients, there is an AppleTV reference with a 1280x720 profile initialized. Maybe streaming is coming to apple tv someday ?
     
  17. noone3000

    noone3000 New Member

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    My thoughts exactly.
     
  18. watstein

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    Wi-Fi streaming is great out of the home and enjoy the feature but now why not Cellular. 4G/LTE streaming is what I would be interested in since mostly traveling and not always near a Wi-Fi connection. I know the video wouldn't look as good but I don't mind.
    Just my thought.
     
  19. DeWitt

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    I had to re setup after the new update, but just tried it today using my verizon 4g/lte hotspot and quality was quite good (Same when tethered to the phone via wi fi). Call me pleasantly surprised!
     
  20. watstein

    watstein New Member

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    Yea your using a hotspot. I wasn't talking about a hotspot. I was talking about using my phone/tablet data plan. I reset up as well but still not working. Gives me an error that streaming over cellular connection is not supported. as seen below
     

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