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We've begun updating TiVo Stream for out-of-home streaming

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by TiVoMargret, Nov 6, 2013.

  1. Cheezmo

    Cheezmo New Member

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    Good to know. That is how Apple handles computers with iTunes account activations. The option to deactivate all appears only when you hit the limit and can only be done every so often.

     
  2. g808

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    Ditto, I'm hoping stream could replace sling, but no streaming over cellular is a key gap. I just think it's crazy Sling wants $$ for both the ipad AND iPhone apps. I understand paying for the app on different platforms, but I would expect to pay once for IOS.
     
  3. MikePA1

    MikePA1 New Member

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    Why?
     
  4. Austin Bike

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    Worked for me last night after getting the update. Interestingly, it would not work for me using my iphone as a hot spot for my ipad, only my ipad on wifi. Technically it was wifi for the ipad both ways, but something kept it from working with the phone. Need more testing.
     
  5. noone3000

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    It works for me when I tether my iPad to my iPhone.

    My iPhone is jailbroken on iOS 6 though not sure if that matters.
     
  6. beobuff

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    Same problem here. No go with OOH streaming over LTE. Haven't had opportunity to try over distant LAN with wi-fi.
     
  7. untfan

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    I sent a query to TiVo and they basically responded with the same. They said an option would be present once I maxed out - they also made it seem like the oldest could get replaced by the newest. It's not a hard fixed limit which was the majority of my concern.
     
  8. Coffee

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    Agreed
     
  9. g808

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    I was able to stream OOH from my ipad while tethered to my iPhone.

    As others have noted OOH streaming quality isn't up to par, by a wide margin, with Sling over the same connection, but hopefully it improves over time. Sling does have a bit of a head start.
     
  10. musiclover1966

    musiclover1966 New Member

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    Out-of-home streaming on the Tivo Stream is a joke - all copyrighted content is prohibited. 95% of the shows I record on Tivo are marked copyrighted... every channel except the major networks, ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX. This means no watching my NHL games, no watching The Walking Dead.

    I realize how making a copy or "downloading" would be prohibited. Tivo2Go has become virtually useless for me since I upgraded to a Tivo Premier. But applying the same rules to streaming? Give me a break... you've just made the business case for me to buy a slingbox.

    Stop your deceptive marketing saying that the Tivo is like a slingbox... preventing you from watching your own recorded content makes this feature totally useless.

    I've been a Tivo user for more than 6 years now and I've never been more dissapointed in an anticipated feature. Oh, and as long as my Premiere is still functional I'll never upgrade to a Roamio - I was tempted because this feature was added to that platform first... now I have no reason to upgrade.

    Now off to order my slingbox... The slingbox people should thank Tivo for creating a new market for them.
     
  11. Lars_J

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    musiclover1966,
    That is most likely a problem with your cable provider, who is incorrectly flagging programs. TiVo will be slapped down hard if they allow you to circumvent that flag, which is normally set on a per-channel basis, and usually premium channels only. Slingbox only survives because of the analogue loophole, which could go away as analogue output is phased out.

    (And you can't do remote downloads with Slingbox either.)

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    I finally got the out of home streaming update, although I have only tried a download instead of streaming. (over LTE) But biggest disappointment is the download speed, which appears to be capped by the Stream's slow output - not the internet speed - because it is slow at home as well.

    Does Roamio have faster transcoding?
     
  12. MikePA1

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    You should seek to understand who sets the copyright attribute before going off on an uneducated rant.:rolleyes:
     
  13. musiclover1966

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    Since when is streaming the same as copying?

    I still blame TiVo - whether or not it's their fault for not resolving this with cable card providers. In the end, they get the bad rap and deserve it. IMHO of course.
     
  14. slowbiscuit

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    You should seek to understand why Tivo makes it ok to stream within the home but not out with the same CCI flags set. :rolleyes:

    Tivo deserves this rant IMO, there's no excuse for it when OOH streaming has already been done by others. You could setup a WMC PC and do it with the exact same provider and cablecard setup, frex.
     
  15. Austin Bike

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    Annnnnd scene.

    We should stick to comments about things they can control. Otherwise they get blamed for everything. I wore out the shock bushings on my bike. Tivo is to blame....
     
  16. noone3000

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    I have auditioned the TiVo Stream now for about a week.

    My impressions:

    1. Looks and works great for in home streaming. However, I will just watch the real TV if I'm at home, so this feature really serves no purpose for me.

    2. Out of home streaming quality is far inferior to Slingbox's quality. On the same excellent wifi connection, Slingbox's video is smooth and motion doesn't create a blurry mess of everything. Stream's motion creates a lot of blocking, pixelation. It looks terrible quite honestly. I even setup a multicast VPN and still the quality is far inferior to the Sling on the same network. It appears that the video conversion the Slingbox is using is superior to what is being used in the Stream.

    3. The download speed out of home is too slow for the real network connection. Someone mentioned that we could just download to get a better quality stream. Even if they fix the 5 minute lockout download issue, you still could not watch a medium quality download 10 minutes into the download without it running out.

    4. Obviously, the controls are better and more responsive on the TiVo vs. the Slingbox.

    In conclusion, I don't feel the Stream is worth the $70 I paid for it, which is why it's going to be returned. Do I like the fact that I had to pay $150 for the Slingbox 350 and then had to fork another $15 over for the iPad app? No, but at least I can watch football on it and it doesn't look like a blurry mess.
     
  17. moyekj

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    FYI, there was an update to iOS App yesterday that fixed the 5 minute download pause issue. Just tried out download today to confirm the fix. It took almost 50 minutes to download a 1 hour show @medium quality which matches up with waiting about 10 minutes for uninterrupted viewing.
     
  18. Bulldawg9908

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    It's fixed? I updated my TiVo app this morning, and I'm still experiencing the 5 minute disconnect and pause. Do you have to set up streaming from home again, because I haven't done that yet.
     
  19. noone3000

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    This update looks promising. I started a download on the old version, and tried to play it 5 minutes into the download and got the error 'Cannot Play This' , or something to that effect. I then downloaded the new version and it resumed my download without issue and I was able to start the playback without issue. I am playing it back now at Medium quality, and it looks great.

    However, it still used up my 5 minute buffer, even on a decent 2-6 Mbps tethered LTE speed.

    I'll have to test this further.
     
  20. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    It's fixed for me. I checked this morning and confirmed my App was updated to latest version. I never did try in home streaming but took my iPad Air to work and verified it was working fine. Note that you still get the "Reconnecting..." message every 5 minutes, however the download continues through those messages unlike before.
     

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