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We've begun updating TiVo Stream for out-of-home streaming

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by TiVoMargret, Nov 6, 2013.

  1. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Standalone Stream? My post from above is from integrated Roamio Pro Stream. Maybe the web pages differ a little for integrated vs standalone.
     
  2. gamo62

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    Since you have enabled OOS, how about getting it to work with H.264 content? OOS is TOTALLY useless unless you Einsteins can figure a way to get it to work with H.264.
     
  3. supasta

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    The reset button does nothing for me. Am I doing something incorrectly?
     
  4. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    As I mentioned, I never actually tried it, so apparently it doesn't do what one expects. In Javascript there are other hidden buttons and settings which if changed also don't affect anything so looks like the web pages are just for information and may have to be put in a special mode to actually effect any changes.
     
  5. HeatherA

    HeatherA Old AVS Forum Member

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    Yay! I've gotten the update too.

    I also show 6/12 clients used and as far as I know only my iPad and iPhone are using the streaming. If any other family members are using it that'd just be 2 more iPhones... so 4... I can't reset. When I go to the IP page clients just shows a -.

    Not a big deal at this point as I only have 4 possible clients, but could be a bigger issue in the future.
     
  6. moyekj

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    That page is only populated when you are actively streaming/downloading to the iOS App.
     
  7. HeatherA

    HeatherA Old AVS Forum Member

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    Thanks for the heads up on that. I have stuff downloading on my iPad and sure enough, I see it and my iPhone listed. No place to delete/reset all clients, but the ability to release the ones I see.

    I did set up the other 2 iPhones to use OOH streaming and my client usage still sits at 6/12. I have a feeling it may be based on how many devices have the TiVo app installed and we just recently got rid of 2 iPads... which would make it to our 6/12.

    I guess I'll really start worrying if/when we get near that 12 mark... and that's not happening any time soon ;)
     
  8. apw2607

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    The reset, or release all clients doesn't or never worked.
     
  9. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    While I understand your frustration you're in a very unique situation. The vast majority of cable companies in the US are either not using H.264 at all or only for a handful of channels, so this doesn't affect most people the way it does you.

    That being said I'm surprised this still hasn't been fixed. I hope it's not a hardware limitation.
     
  10. skippythelizard

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    Long time occasional lurker here...

    Just got Stream OOH update. Was at 12/50 mobile clients before update (Actual number of devices is 6).

    After update, when I connected, it told me I was at my limit (new limit=12) and asked if I wanted to reset the client list. It said it could be done every 30 days and clients would automatically reconnect without losing service.

    We'll see how that works in practice when my daughter gets home as she is the heaviest user of the app in our household.
     
  11. noone3000

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    My software version is 19.1.3b-01-6. (it isn't 19.1.3b-01-6-A94)

    I can however see the Out-Of-Home menu in the Full System Information menu on the iOS, but i'm not seeing the option to enable Out of Home Streaming in the iOS app, even after making a service call and restarting the device.

    Any ideas?

    Update>
    I checked, and my TiVo software is not up to date. I restarted one and it looks like it's installing an update.
     
  12. SugarBowl

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    You have to click the 'setup' command for the stream.




    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  13. noone3000

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    The issue was that I had to restart both my TiVo Premiere units manually to get them to install the update they had downloaded.

    I will report back the Stream quality vs. Slingbox 350 once I am back on an OOH wifi connection.
     
  14. moyekj

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    So far, for all of us that have done that comparison, the Sling wins hands down in terms of video quality.
     
  15. cmshep222

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    Agree on Android user's frustrations...but I just wish they could consolidate the rants to the "Where is Stream for Android???" thread. Rant away in that thread.

    Why pollute every other discussion with the same re-hashed Android facts? We get it!
     
  16. sandman55

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    I got the new Stream update the other day. 19.1.3b-01-6 I ran the Out of Home setup with no problem. The out of home checkmark was there.
    Is there supposed to be Live streaming of TV with this update? The only streaming I get is when I watch a recorded show within my home network. If I try to watch a Live show it records it and then plays it back. If I am away from home, it does nothing on LTE for Live or recorded shows. (streaming over cellular not supported) I'm not exactly sure what this update is supposed to do. I have rebooted my Stream and Premiere many times.
    Thanks for your input.
     
  17. noone3000

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    Yep. I'm testing right now, and the Sling's quality is far better than the Stream.

    The Stream needs a better variable bit encoding algorithm. It seems like it just analyzes your network, and then drops the quality down two notches, and then streams at that constant bitrate. It's not good at all.

    Furthermore, if you try to Download, you have to stay in the app to make it continue to download. And restart it after it stops in 5 minutes.

    Why is the Sling better? Is it encoding the video with a different codec than the a Stream??

    I really like the responsiveness of how the Stream works natively with the TiVos I have. But unfortunately, the video quality and download issues are kind of a deal breaker at this point.
     
  18. moyekj

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    Sling is encoding to H.264 as well, but they have had years to perfect adaptive encoding. I think the TiVo Stream adaptive encoding is very simplistic and is not really adapting quickly on the fly to available bandwidth. I think part of the reason Sling can do a better job is it is also doing some video buffering so that what we are getting is a few seconds delayed and it has time to adjust real time video encoding parameters before we see it.

    I'd be happy with the Stream if/once they fix OOH downloads so they don't pause every 5 minutes. Icing on the cake would be to also let downloads continue while TiVo App runs in background mode.
     
  19. noone3000

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    Agreed, 100%.

    I would love to be able to return the Sling 350 and the $15 iPad app.
     
  20. g808

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    Finally got the update and setup OOH streaming. Will try testing next time I'm out.
     

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