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Well that was fast (Mini price drop at Amazon)

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by jmpage2, May 11, 2013.

  1. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    The new 6 tuner infiniTV 6 with Windows Media Center and WMC extenders (XBox, Echo, etc) is an alternative. And there are no lifetime or monthly fees. That is what kept me from staying with TiVo this time.
     
  2. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Microsoft has discontinued development of MCE so I'm not sure how much longer that's going to be a viable alternative.
     
  3. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Just because they discontinued development doesn't mean they discontinued support. They still sell licenses too. The product is already mature, has a great full HD GUI and pretty stable, which is tough to say for these other solutions.
     
  4. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I'm not saying it's going away tomorrow, but unless they change their mind it'll likely go away when support for Windows 8 stops. And it'll likely get stagnent long before then.
     
  5. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    By then I'll have recouped my investment and it'll be moot anyway. :)

    Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved the TiVo P4 and two minis I had, but I couldn't in good conscience spend an extra $697 just for lifetime services. (P4 LT $399, mini LT $149 x 2 = $697) when I could get the same if not better results with the PC WMC WH DVR solution.
     
  6. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Too each their own. I had an HTPC for a while and didn't really care for the MCE UI. Plus if you look at it objectively and build a complete HTPC system from scratch, plus two XBoxes or Echos, the price difference compared to TiVo isn't that much. And if you consider how much more power an HTPC will draw compared to a TiVo in the long run you're probably not saving much at all.
     
  7. aristoBrat

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    Out of curiosity, what was the hardware cost for your PC WMC WH DVR solution?
     
  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I ran some quick calculations on Amazon and, starting from scratch, you can build an HTPC with 4 tuner Ceton card for about $700. If you really bargain hunt you might be able to do it cheaper. And of course if you already have parts to use, or a license to Windows, then it would be even cheaper.
     
  9. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Well not taking into consideration what I already had and would have had regardless (Xbox for son, HP quad core PC, DirecTV DECA) I bought the new infiniTV6 $299, another used XBox $125 and an HP X280n for $90.
     
  10. aristoBrat

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    Gesh, I just googled around regarding the extenders.

    If the wikipedia page is correct, it looks like market support for MCE is pretty much gone already. :(

    So a new, supported MCE extender is either $179 (Echo) or $199 (Xbox)?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Center_Extender
     
  11. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Not much different than the choices you have for TiVo though. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Smiles3usa

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    Picked up two Mini's at Best Buy last night and they matched the price drop. Sweet. :D I used the saved 24.00 to buy the 4-year extended warranty for $19.99. Only brought one warranty, since the warranty is not attached to any Mini in particular. I guess if both Minis malfunction, I'm screwed.
     
  13. slowbiscuit

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    It's pretty easy to build a 4-tuner HTPC with a couple of extenders (used Xbox slims or Linksys DMA2100s) for $900 or so. An equivalent lifetime XL4 + 2 Mini setup would be $1300, and as you go past 2 extenders the HTPC is way cheaper because the used extenders are readily available for $100 or less. You would have new Minis vs. used PC extenders of course.
     
  14. aristoBrat

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    Interesting.

    To me it looks like a MCE WHDVR solution (with used extenders) has a cheaper startup cost compared to TiVo, but TiVo (if you can sell your equipment 5-7 down the road for near the cost of Lifetime) might be the same cost (or a little less expensive) in the end.
     
  15. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Don't forget about power. A TiVo XL 4 draws about 19W and a Mini only draws about 6W. Even a low power HTPC will draw about 40W and an XBox 360 draws about 175W. The Ceton Echo is on par with the Mini drawing about 6W.

    If you consider that then an HTPC will probably cost you an extra few dollars per month compared to a TiVo.
     
  16. aaronwt

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    The current 360's draw less than half that. But still, that is alot more than a Mini or XL4.
     
  17. jmpage2

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    What's the HTPC worth in 3-4 years? Those tivos probably still worth $600 or more.
     
  18. aristoBrat

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    Got to admit that the DIY part of me likes the idea of building a MCE WHDVR. I'm fairly sure my housemates would move out if I did, but it does sound like a fun project! :)
     
  19. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Thats mainly why I did it a few years ago. Because I like to tinker. But in practice I didn't care for the UI so it got very little use. Eventually I dismantled it and used the parts to build a computer for my Sister.
     
  20. slowbiscuit

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    Don't forget that HTPCs can sleep when not in use, and the Xboxes have WOL capability to wake them up when you want to watch something. The power use of a sleeping PC vs. a Tivo is probably in favor of the PC overall, but the Xboxes are going to draw a lot more when in use.

    Power really isn't the main issue here, it's how you like the experience of WMC vs. Tivo. I have both and prefer using Tivo, personally, but I don't have any Minis yet and won't until I can get one for less than $200.
     

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