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Watching live TV on TiVo Mini after DTA update

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by AdamfromChi, Oct 30, 2013.

  1. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I wonder if TiVo has a back door code to reserve one tuner for the Mini, they do have a back door code given out to strap down some tuners that were not working because of a cable card problem on some systems. See http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=507973
     
  2. SugarBowl

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    switch places with the Tivo and the Mini. Then he can cancel whichever recording he wants.

    DTA on the roamio seems to reserve a tuner at all times that the mini can't have. I have a 4 tuner roamio, and if it's recording 3 shows, the mini can't access live tv. So it's likely, that with the Premiere, even recording 3 shows at a time will restrict the mini from getting live tv.
     
  3. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    You can, if you make one of the recording shows on the host Roamio the foreground tuner.
     
  4. martyscholes

    martyscholes New Member

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    Part of the issue is that one son loves sports, so it grabs every episode of Sportscenter at a very low priority. If some episodes (out of the dozen or so each day) are missed, no problem. My wife and I also love good suspense movies, so we have a general wish list that says to record all suspense movies and keep the most recent 25, again at a very low priority. We just like having a selection of movies to choose from on movie night. If some of the movies do not get recorded, no problem. We have other wishlists that behave similarly.

    I agree that the 6 tuner Roamio is what we need and we will likely get one in the next year, but Tivo has forced me to consider this $600 outlay now because this past week they broke a working solution.

    Besides that, is it possible that our to do list will saturate a 6 tuner Roamio, leaving us with the same problem all over again. Of course, we could say to our son, "You are no longer allowed to record Sportscenter." We could also stop all of the wishlists, but that ability is part of the value from Tivo that we have grown to expect over the past decade, and as of the past week, I have to choose between that value and the Tivo Mini. Not cool.

    I should stop ranting. Apologies.
     
  5. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    I think the answer is really quite simple - tell your son to stop watching live TV. That's what you have a DVR for so you don't have to do that. As long as you record everything you want to watch you'll never have a problem.
     
  6. martyscholes

    martyscholes New Member

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    You may be on to something there...
     
  7. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    If he's into sports that's not really the best option as most sports junkies like to watch their games live.
     
  8. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    For me it's the opposite - I watch more sports now that I can watch them time delayed enough to skip all commercials. Before DVR watching sports was excruciatingly painful to have to sit through all the commercials. Especially something like NFL games where there are more commercials than game.
    (I never understood the "have to watch sports live" mentality as if by watching live you are somehow making a difference in the outcome. As long as you don't know the outcome and are watching within hours of the actual event it doesn't bother me at all to watch time delayed. Even "live TV" has some delay associated with it by the time broadcast gets to your house, then DVR buffering adds more delay, so you are never watching truly live anyway unless you are at the game).
     
  9. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    I agree with most of that, but there's still something about watching it "live", especially with a bunch of brews and buds! I also get a lot of my friendly rival family and friends who are watching it that like to text me with little digs if they're winning and vice versa. And if you're a betting man, well........
     
  10. ellinj

    ellinj Seems Very Friendly TCF Club

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    1. Does the new update still require your xl4 to be using the HD menus for the mini to work?

    2. What causes the tuner to be released? I am aware of the new 4hr timeout but does entering Tivo central on the mini also cause the tuner to be released?
     
  11. dianebrat

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    By all accounts, yes
     
  12. telamon

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    I sense this might justify my upgrading to a Roamio.
     
  13. martyscholes

    martyscholes New Member

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    We have removed the tuner allocation and it now has dynamic allocation with the tuner. This means that when the TiVo Mini goes to find a tuner it will find one that is available. If you are recording on all four tuners that means that he will not find a tuner to be able to watch from the Main TiVo box.​

    I probably could have predicted that response.
     
  14. cherry ghost

    cherry ghost Active Member

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    Have you thought about setting up a repeating manual recording and putting it at the top of the priority list? Whenever all tuners are in use and he wants to surf, he can stop and delete that recording.
     
  15. martyscholes

    martyscholes New Member

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    That's a good idea. I also canceled our suspense movie recordings and it seems we mostly have a tuner available. Kind of annoying, though.
     
  16. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    To OP:

    As mentioned previously in above quote, you still have use of the same 3 tuners you always had to record the other programs when the tuner was dedicated to the mini, so why all the sudden is it an issue now that dynamic tuner allocation has occurred? If anything it gives you more recording options for the times the mini isn't being used for live tv!
     
  17. supasta

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    Tonight I found myself with the same issue as the OP. I was getting the 'no tuner for live TV available' message on the Mini. However, the Premiere was only recording 3 shows at the time. A restart of the Premiere 4 fixed the problem.
     
  18. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    That's expected in some circumstances.

    Remember the host has a tuner for itself to output live-tv. If live-tv on the host happens to be one of the recording channels, then 4 channels can be recorded. But if it is a different channel, then all 4 tuners are taken up by 3 recording shows and the host live-tv show, and in that case the Mini will not be able to get a tuner until one is freed up (by either stopping a recording or changing the host live-tv tuner to one of the recording shows.)

    You shouldn't need to restart.
     
  19. supasta

    supasta New Member

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    Correct. I shouldn't have needed a restart, but I did.

    The Premiere appeared to have three tuners (all recording) and one tuner appeared to still be tied to the Mini (live TV). This was the correct behavior prior to the most recent update. However, that update should have corrected that with the inclusion of DTA. I checked immediately after the restart. The behavior was different than prior to the restart. The restart clearly corrected the issue, as was also suggested by previous posters in this thread.

    I remembered seeing this thread a while back. I thought that a post on what I experienced may help someone in a similar circumstance, just as previous posts had helped me.
     
  20. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    Ah, I misunderstood, sorry. I thought you were complaining about a general situation of only recording 3 shows, but instead you were saying that a one-time reboot to set up DTA correctly might be needed (and I agree with that).
     

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