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Walking Dead - Welcome to the Tombs - 03/31/13

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Test, Mar 31, 2013.

  1. Anubys

    Anubys KMT Soccer Playa

    Jul 16, 2004
    The thing is, I agreed with Herschel until Carl explained himself. Now, had the guy dropped his gun right away, it would be a little different. But I still think Carl should have shot him. The only problem is that Carl is a kid.
  2. pmyers

    pmyers New Member

    Jan 4, 2001
    Playing devil's advocate here....were one of your stratagies for defending the prison to include having people in the guard tower? I would have hated to be on guard duty that day ;)

    I do agree I'd rather defend the prison than the town though if it came down to it.
  3. robojerk

    robojerk Active Member

    Jun 13, 2006
    My last post on this... I do think the show people want us to debate Carl's actions..
    If Herschel thinks what Carl did was in cold blood, you could make the argument that what Rick did to the 2 guys in the bar last season was also in cold blood. The events of what happened in the finale make Carl's shooting of that guy justified IMO, no less than Rick drawing down on the guys in the bar.
    If we want to talk about "what ifs", in my mind there are 2 Carl's. The Carl from the "Clear" episode would not have shot the guy if he had dropped his gun. The Carl we saw in the finale (with a bug up his butt), maybe, but after what we saw from Carl just a few episodes back it would have been very shocking...
  4. retrodog

    retrodog King Button Pusher

    Feb 7, 2002
    This was a no win situation. The poor kid had the governor's lies playing non-stop in his head. Carl's people had just been attacked by a paramilitary group (seemingly) who were there to exterminate them. The kid didn't trust them enough to actually "drop" the gun like he was instructed. Carl (last name Goldstein) didn't trust someone who was part of the Nazi (yes, I said it) army. So he shot the bastard. It wasn't Carl's fault. It wasn't the kids fault. It was the freakin Governor Adolph's fault (yeah, I went there again).

    The simple fact is that the situation was too out of control, and each character had too much on their mind due to external forces, for us to narrow it down and judge them on their actions harshly.
  5. fmowry

    fmowry New Member

    Apr 30, 2002
    Unlike last season's finale, this finale had me not really caring about next season.
  6. pmyers

    pmyers New Member

    Jan 4, 2001
    Having multiple guns already drawn on somebody and what Rick did in the bar, are 2 totally different things, IMHO.
  7. Cainebj

    Cainebj Active Member

    Nov 10, 2006
    I decided to watch the entire show this week before the season finale.

    It was kind of amazing to see both how much I had forgotten and how my attitude towards characters changed.

    First time viewing - I really disliked Carl, Lori and Andrea yet I loved Shane.
    Watching from the beginning Carl, Lori and Andrea became my favorites and Shane really felt like a tool.

    The second episode with Morgan took on a whole new meaning having watched the first episode over again 2 days earlier.

    Carl's actions in this episode seemed like a perfect story arc that absolutely resulted in Rick's decision to bring the Woodbury folks back to the prison.

    I highly recommend a marathon viewing.
  8. sharkster

    sharkster Active Member TC Club

    Jul 3, 2004
    Best scene of that episode. :D
  9. sharkster

    sharkster Active Member TC Club

    Jul 3, 2004
    Was I the only one who thought that they didn't learn enough about booby-trapping from Morgan?

    My thoughts were that, whether or not they were still there, they should have booby-trapped that place to the hilt with mega-destructive traps.
  10. Philosofy

    Philosofy Super Duper Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    How did they get the tear gas or flash grenades to go off?
  11. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    They weren't trying to kill all the Woodbury peeps. Had they wanted to, you're right, it would have been very easy. They were trying to get them to think the prison was abandoned and let their guard down. Had the Governor's group been caught in booby traps, they'd have been much more careful and alert.
  12. stellie93

    stellie93 Active Member

    Feb 25, 2006
    I definitely think that anyone who had a chance to kill the Gov (and there were lots of them) and didn't deserves to be eaten by a zombie and then become one. ;)

    Twice in this show I screamed at the screen, which I don't usually do--first at Andrea to shut up and get the PLIERS. And then, "All right, Carl." So I guess it was pretty good, for me. :up:

    It was nice of Tyrese to stay and guard the kids and old people, but what he really should have done is pack up supplies and weapons and RUN. They would have been in trouble if the Gov came back.
  13. jradosh

    jradosh Newlywed

    Jul 31, 2001
    Her feet were never tied. She brought her feet up to her lap when she was picking up the pliers.

    Yes, since he drove the bus that was their main gate, the entire town is now overrun with zombies. I don't think he'd have left anyone back there.
    It's a fine line between honest critique and threadcrap, but I haven't seen that line crossed yet.
    I thought boobytrap, but they didn't make it clear. Again, they're writing for convenience rather than believability. :(
  14. wkearney99

    wkearney99 Bill Kearney

    Dec 5, 2003
    +1 this. I think the whole Carl/Herschel thing is just to give the fanbase something to wring their hands ceaselessly during the hiatus.

    I miss the living on the run aspect of the show. Lots more new characters to interact with and many more situations. The whole prison vs townies thing was crap. Trouble is they're made the prison too good a home (script-wise) so we'll likely be stuck with them using it again next season.
  15. pmyers

    pmyers New Member

    Jan 4, 2001
    good catch. I didn't realize that was THAT bus.
  16. Ereth

    Ereth Active Member

    Jun 16, 2000
    I have one question.

    Way back in season 1 we had one of the group die. I want to say Andreas sister, but I can't remember for sure. In any case, she stayed there with the corpse overnight, and the girl didn't turn until the next day, at which point she was killed again (through the head).

    So, if it takes a long time to turn, as established in season 1, why is it now that you can kill people and expect them to be useable zombies in a short time (Merle and Milktoast both).
  17. stellie93

    stellie93 Active Member

    Feb 25, 2006
    I didn't recognize the bus either--so they don't intend to go back to Woodbury. I would think it would be better to leave it intact till they can scavenge all the stuff that's there.
  18. danterner

    danterner Not it!

    Mar 4, 2005
    Yes, it was Andrea's sister. Time to turn varies from a few minutes to hours or more. It varies based upon a number of factors, the primary one being plot exigencies. The show addressed this through the character of Jenner at the CDC in the episode TS-19, where he said the brain stem reanimates anywhere from a few minutes to 8 hours after death.
  19. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TC Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Yes, they turn at the speed of plot.
  20. DreadPirateRob

    DreadPirateRob Seriously?

    Nov 11, 2002
    There is no established time frame for "turning". I think I either read a Kirkman interview or maybe he just talked about in on TD once, and he basically said "it depends".

    Now, he may have meant physical factors, like health/physical condition of the victim, or like Rob said, he probably meant plot considerations. :)

    ETA: I don't recall this, but according to the Walking Dead wiki, Dr. Jenner from the CDC told the group that transformation can take place anywhere between 3 minutes and 8 hours after death.

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