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Walking Dead - Welcome to the Tombs - 03/31/13

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Test, Mar 31, 2013.

  1. Apr 1, 2013 #81 of 190
    Anubys

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    The thing is, I agreed with Herschel until Carl explained himself. Now, had the guy dropped his gun right away, it would be a little different. But I still think Carl should have shot him. The only problem is that Carl is a kid.
     
  2. Apr 1, 2013 #82 of 190
    pmyers

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    Playing devil's advocate here....were one of your stratagies for defending the prison to include having people in the guard tower? I would have hated to be on guard duty that day ;)

    I do agree I'd rather defend the prison than the town though if it came down to it.
     
  3. Apr 1, 2013 #83 of 190
    robojerk

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    My last post on this... I do think the show people want us to debate Carl's actions..
    If Herschel thinks what Carl did was in cold blood, you could make the argument that what Rick did to the 2 guys in the bar last season was also in cold blood. The events of what happened in the finale make Carl's shooting of that guy justified IMO, no less than Rick drawing down on the guys in the bar.
    If we want to talk about "what ifs", in my mind there are 2 Carl's. The Carl from the "Clear" episode would not have shot the guy if he had dropped his gun. The Carl we saw in the finale (with a bug up his butt), maybe, but after what we saw from Carl just a few episodes back it would have been very shocking...
     
  4. Apr 1, 2013 #84 of 190
    retrodog

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    This was a no win situation. The poor kid had the governor's lies playing non-stop in his head. Carl's people had just been attacked by a paramilitary group (seemingly) who were there to exterminate them. The kid didn't trust them enough to actually "drop" the gun like he was instructed. Carl (last name Goldstein) didn't trust someone who was part of the Nazi (yes, I said it) army. So he shot the bastard. It wasn't Carl's fault. It wasn't the kids fault. It was the freakin Governor Adolph's fault (yeah, I went there again).

    The simple fact is that the situation was too out of control, and each character had too much on their mind due to external forces, for us to narrow it down and judge them on their actions harshly.
     
  5. Apr 1, 2013 #85 of 190
    fmowry

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    Unlike last season's finale, this finale had me not really caring about next season.
     
  6. Apr 1, 2013 #86 of 190
    pmyers

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    Having multiple guns already drawn on somebody and what Rick did in the bar, are 2 totally different things, IMHO.
     
  7. Apr 1, 2013 #87 of 190
    Cainebj

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    I decided to watch the entire show this week before the season finale.

    It was kind of amazing to see both how much I had forgotten and how my attitude towards characters changed.

    First time viewing - I really disliked Carl, Lori and Andrea yet I loved Shane.
    Watching from the beginning Carl, Lori and Andrea became my favorites and Shane really felt like a tool.

    The second episode with Morgan took on a whole new meaning having watched the first episode over again 2 days earlier.

    Carl's actions in this episode seemed like a perfect story arc that absolutely resulted in Rick's decision to bring the Woodbury folks back to the prison.

    I highly recommend a marathon viewing.
     
  8. Apr 1, 2013 #88 of 190
    sharkster

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    Best scene of that episode. :D
     
  9. Apr 1, 2013 #89 of 190
    sharkster

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    Was I the only one who thought that they didn't learn enough about booby-trapping from Morgan?

    My thoughts were that, whether or not they were still there, they should have booby-trapped that place to the hilt with mega-destructive traps.
     
  10. Apr 1, 2013 #90 of 190
    Philosofy

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    How did they get the tear gas or flash grenades to go off?
     
  11. Apr 1, 2013 #91 of 190
    DevdogAZ

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    They weren't trying to kill all the Woodbury peeps. Had they wanted to, you're right, it would have been very easy. They were trying to get them to think the prison was abandoned and let their guard down. Had the Governor's group been caught in booby traps, they'd have been much more careful and alert.
     
  12. Apr 1, 2013 #92 of 190
    stellie93

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    I definitely think that anyone who had a chance to kill the Gov (and there were lots of them) and didn't deserves to be eaten by a zombie and then become one. ;)

    Twice in this show I screamed at the screen, which I don't usually do--first at Andrea to shut up and get the PLIERS. And then, "All right, Carl." So I guess it was pretty good, for me. :up:

    It was nice of Tyrese to stay and guard the kids and old people, but what he really should have done is pack up supplies and weapons and RUN. They would have been in trouble if the Gov came back.
     
  13. Apr 1, 2013 #93 of 190
    jradosh

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    Her feet were never tied. She brought her feet up to her lap when she was picking up the pliers.

    Yes, since he drove the bus that was their main gate, the entire town is now overrun with zombies. I don't think he'd have left anyone back there.
    It's a fine line between honest critique and threadcrap, but I haven't seen that line crossed yet.
    I thought boobytrap, but they didn't make it clear. Again, they're writing for convenience rather than believability. :(
     
  14. Apr 1, 2013 #94 of 190
    wkearney99

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    +1 this. I think the whole Carl/Herschel thing is just to give the fanbase something to wring their hands ceaselessly during the hiatus.

    I miss the living on the run aspect of the show. Lots more new characters to interact with and many more situations. The whole prison vs townies thing was crap. Trouble is they're made the prison too good a home (script-wise) so we'll likely be stuck with them using it again next season.
     
  15. Apr 1, 2013 #95 of 190
    pmyers

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    good catch. I didn't realize that was THAT bus.
     
  16. Apr 1, 2013 #96 of 190
    Ereth

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    I have one question.

    Way back in season 1 we had one of the group die. I want to say Andreas sister, but I can't remember for sure. In any case, she stayed there with the corpse overnight, and the girl didn't turn until the next day, at which point she was killed again (through the head).

    So, if it takes a long time to turn, as established in season 1, why is it now that you can kill people and expect them to be useable zombies in a short time (Merle and Milktoast both).
     
  17. Apr 1, 2013 #97 of 190
    stellie93

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    I didn't recognize the bus either--so they don't intend to go back to Woodbury. I would think it would be better to leave it intact till they can scavenge all the stuff that's there.
     
  18. Apr 1, 2013 #98 of 190
    danterner

    danterner Not it!

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    Yes, it was Andrea's sister. Time to turn varies from a few minutes to hours or more. It varies based upon a number of factors, the primary one being plot exigencies. The show addressed this through the character of Jenner at the CDC in the episode TS-19, where he said the brain stem reanimates anywhere from a few minutes to 8 hours after death.
     
  19. Apr 1, 2013 #99 of 190
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Yes, they turn at the speed of plot.
     
  20. Apr 1, 2013 #100 of 190
    DreadPirateRob

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    There is no established time frame for "turning". I think I either read a Kirkman interview or maybe he just talked about in on TD once, and he basically said "it depends".

    Now, he may have meant physical factors, like health/physical condition of the victim, or like Rob said, he probably meant plot considerations. :)

    ETA: I don't recall this, but according to the Walking Dead wiki, Dr. Jenner from the CDC told the group that transformation can take place anywhere between 3 minutes and 8 hours after death.
     

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