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Walking Dead - Welcome to the Tombs - 03/31/13

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Test, Mar 31, 2013.

  1. Apr 1, 2013 #41 of 190
    sharkster

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    As much as I still don't love Carl, I think the old guy was wrong. Carl told the guy to DROP the gun - not edge toward him, acting like he's going to hand him the gun. Drop the gun means drop the gun and nothing else. Kill or be killed.

    As for Andrea and the damn wrench. Good grief - That was one of the stoopidest scenes ever. Sure, plenty of time to screw around. Just sit there with a stupid look on your face while time goes by, instead of dealing with the task at hand. I think they could have had smarter ways to have her die, or at least make it look more intelligently written. Adios, Andrea. You've outlived your usefullness. Of that I became glaringly certain at this point.

    I wonder why the Governator went off the rails like that. Why would you kill all your men? god complex, I guess. I, too, wondered why those last two guys got in the vehicle with him. I suppose they figure there is no way to outrun his gun and if they ran, they'd definitely get it. Oh wait, that one gun ran out of ammo, right? But didn't he still have another one, or was that one out of ammo too?

    The Gov must be made of rubber. Nobody seems to be able to get a shot on him - even the sharpshooters.

    I wonder how the villagers felt about being brought to the prison. The digs certainly aren't so nice, but I suppose the sense of safety is a lot higher especially if they, somehow, knew what the gov did.

    Re: Talking Dead (nothing spoily of course)

    Wow, I guess Norman Reedus wears his hair like that all the time. Cool having him and the guy who plays Tyreese there.
     
  2. Apr 1, 2013 #42 of 190
    Anubys

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    Well, what about the idiot who - in the middle of the Gov shooting his own people - holds a gun to him and asks him oh so very politely to please stop.

    Now THAT guy deserved to be shot in the head ;)
     
  3. Apr 1, 2013 #43 of 190
    JohnB1000

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    I wish this thread had less threadcrap stuff. As has been said in many threads, if you don't enjoy the show don't watch.

    I still don't understand why the Guv would not go back to Woodbury where, presumably, all his belongings, weapons and ammo would be. Beyond that I have no problem with the dramatic license of what others call flaws.
     
  4. Apr 1, 2013 #44 of 190
    Hank

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    First of all, STFU Andrea and get to work! When they cut back to that scene, and she was *still* talking talking talking and NOT getting the pliers --well, she got what she deserved. I think it would take an ordinary person about 30 second to fetch those pliers. If she had done that, and THEN spent all that other time trying to free herself (and still getting bit) that would have made so much more sense.

    Second, why didn't they just lock all the Woodbury folks inside the prison and then take the Gov out when he's trapped like an animal? I kept saying to my g/f "no, don't go inside, they'll lock you in there!!!"... but no, they just wanted a stupid shootout and to run. Such bad writing.
     
  5. Apr 1, 2013 #45 of 190
    pmyers

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    Exactly. So you scare them off....now what? Do you really think they won't come back? What was the end game plan there?

    I did see one booby trap with some spikes which I love the idea of but could have been done much better.
     
  6. Apr 1, 2013 #46 of 190
    pmyers

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    How is you posting your critique any different than us posting ours?
     
  7. Apr 1, 2013 #47 of 190
    Rob Helmerichs

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    What was the show where the bad guy said, "What are you gonna do, shoo..." BLAM! And down he goes with a hole in his head. (Justified? I know The Following had a similar scene recently.)

    It was quite a jolt, but it shouldn't have been. TV has trained us with bad, suicidal habits.

    Granted, those were both law enforcement people giving the instructions; a little kid might be different. But even if it's a little kid, if I'm surrendering to him and he's got a bead on me, I'm going to be very careful to follow his instructions.
    I wish this show had less showcrap stuff. It was great at the beginning, but ever since the first season it's been lurching down and up, but more generally down. I can't speak for anybody else, but I have stayed with it out of genre loyalty and the hope it can regain its footing. With a new showrunner next season, that hope remains alive.
     
  8. Apr 1, 2013 #48 of 190
    DevdogAZ

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    When Andrea was fumbling with the pliers, I just went ahead and fast forwarded through that whole sequence, because I knew that no matter how long it took Milton to die and turn, it would take Andrea a few seconds more or less, so everything until that point was worthless.
     
  9. Apr 1, 2013 #49 of 190
    BradJW

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    I liked Carl in this episode quite a bit. The guy was handing over his gun. He wasn't asked to do so. He was asked to drop his gun.

    He didn't comply. Carl done good.
     
  10. Apr 1, 2013 #50 of 190
    BradJW

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    What was the governor's line in the beginning?

    You either kill or die, or die and then kill?

    Whatever it was, that was a good line.
     
  11. Apr 1, 2013 #51 of 190
    Cearbhaill

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    I challenge you to find more than 1 or 2 photos of him anywhere/any time with good looking hair- the man is cursed in that regard. Even back in his modeling days he didn't look any better.
     
  12. Apr 1, 2013 #52 of 190
    robojerk

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    I'm on Carl's side. The guy was told to DROP his weapon, not creep forward and hand it over. It seemed obvious that the guy saw Carl (a kid), Herschel (old man on crutches) and Beth (girl hiding behind Herschel) and thought he could over power them.. That guy could easily overpower Carl (sorry son, puberty hasn't set in yet). Carl did the appropriate thing given the circumstances, no better than Rick bringing the young and old of Woodbury to the prison.

    Like it has been said before, if the characters actually talked to each other more often, Rick would hear Carl's side and probably accept it.

    I think the prison makes a better set for a post apocalyptic community than woodbury. It has a lot of it's own contained infrastructure to make the place modern and nice. All they would need to get are the solar panels from Woodbury for electricity, and a pump to siphon water from the creek into the lines of the prison (after filtering and cleaning it) so they could maybe get the boilers going and have hot water (showers).. Then line the outer fence with vehicles (I've seen lots of them sitting on the sides of the road on this show) to cushion the fence against a super herd or another attack against people..

    But then the "show" could get boring.

    I enjoy the show, it just frustrates me sometimes..
     
  13. Apr 1, 2013 #53 of 190
    Langree

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    I musta missed the threadcrapping, posting negative comments about a show is not all threadcrapping, it's about context and content.

    Picking nits, picking it apart, pointing out the errors, yes. Threadcrapping no,
     
  14. Apr 1, 2013 #54 of 190
    Langree

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    Funny how this works with him.
     
  15. Apr 1, 2013 #55 of 190
    pmyers

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    That was it...and it was a good line!
     
  16. Apr 1, 2013 #56 of 190
    pmyers

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    True...but it was obvious (to Herschel) that it was just a scared kid who had 2 guns pointed at him.
     
  17. Apr 1, 2013 #57 of 190
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Yeah, it was an ambiguous situation...he was probably trying to surrender, but he could have been (and was kind of acting like he was) trying to get the jump on them.

    Rule 1 of surrendering: Do as you're told. That's the whole point of surrendering.
     
  18. Apr 1, 2013 #58 of 190
    sharkster

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    Yeah but - wouldn't it still make more sense to just comply by dropping the gun and not risk further pissing off the people with guns pointed at you?

    Well, ok, he's a kid. I just kind of got that in my head. But still - there is no way you could trust that he didn't see what looked like an opportunity to take over what looked like a little kid, a one-legged old guy, and a meek girl. In this world you have to make decisions and you don't have the luxury of mulling over options. By this point, the kid probably should have known that.

    I agree with many here that Carl explained it pretty well to his dad, in regard to the fact that his father didn't make the decisions he needed to make and that didn't pay off. But I still hate the thing where nobody actually tells the other what happened. I'd have said that I told him to freeze and drop the gun, and he kept coming at me with gun in hand. It doesn't take much to realize that that means I had to kill the guy becauase I had no idea what he was planning.
     
  19. Apr 1, 2013 #59 of 190
    Boot

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    I think it was "kill and then die, or die and then kill".
     
  20. Apr 1, 2013 #60 of 190
    purwater

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    I was expecting the guy to keep creeping towards Carl and then grab him and put a gun to his head making Herschel and Beth drop their guns like always happens in TV and movies. Carl actually shooting was a nice surprise for me.
     

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