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Walking Dead - Welcome to the Tombs - 03/31/13

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Test, Mar 31, 2013.

  1. Apr 1, 2013 #21 of 190
    Peter000

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    Is Woodbury even a concern for them at this point? The remaning population have no leader anymore and Rick et al obviously clued them in to what the Governor was all about should he return.

    Are we supposed to think they brought the entire remaining population of Woodbury to the prison?
     
  2. Apr 1, 2013 #22 of 190
    SeanC

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    I completely agree with you Rob, there is no reason for her to get bit other than the writers wanted her bit.

    Zombies aren't known for their quick reflexes and good balance. All she had to do was put her foot on his chest and push, that should have knocked him down, and given her 5-10 seconds to keep trying to free herself while Milton got back up.
     
  3. Apr 1, 2013 #23 of 190
    danterner

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    He drinks a whiskey drink, he drinks a vodka drink...
     
  4. Apr 1, 2013 #24 of 190
    Anubys

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    For a long while, I thought Carl will turn into a worse version of Shane. But then he explained himself and I totally agreed with his logic :eek:
     
  5. Apr 1, 2013 #25 of 190
    Cainebj

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    Just out of curiosity...

    A few weeks ago someone posted that someone had gotten a hold of the final episodes and were putting spoiler screen grab images up on facebook and elsewhere.

    I laid low cos I didn't want to know
    - but does anyone know what there were of?
    I am assuming one was of Merle.

    Norman Reedus said last night on The Talking Dead that someone posted pictures of him with his guts hanging out from a movie he did a couple years back and people thought it was Darryl. I wondered one was that?
     
  6. Apr 1, 2013 #26 of 190
    Rob Helmerichs

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    I looked again at the Andrea scenes, and it was even stranger than I originally thought...the chair she was handcuffed to was welded steel, so there was really nothing for her to work on with the pliers. I notice that they never actually showed what she was doing; her body or the chair was always blocking where the pliers were. I suspect it's another case of the physical reality of the set not matching the script, and they didn't bother changing anything.
    Yeah, my thought in that scene was that Carl is one of the few people in the history of film and television to know that when you tell somebody who has a gun and is moving towards you to freeze and drop the gun, and they don't, the appropriate response isn't to wait for a while and hope they eventually comply.
     
  7. Apr 1, 2013 #27 of 190
    Anubys

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    The way I saw it, she cut the chain connecting the handcuffs. So one side of the handcuffs was still on her wrist while the other was still on the chair.
     
  8. Apr 1, 2013 #28 of 190
    trnsfrguy

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    Yup, those were the 2 pics posted on the net.
    I just saw the pic of Norman Reedus on Twitter with the tag "Daryl dies".
     
  9. Apr 1, 2013 #29 of 190
    trnsfrguy

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    I agree.
     
  10. Apr 1, 2013 #30 of 190
    TeddS

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    I think it was pliers. And pliers are excellent for fighting zombies - you can use it to remove their teeth. This guy knows what I'm talking about...

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  11. Apr 1, 2013 #31 of 190
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Which raises the question of how somebody can cut through handcuff-quality steel with a pliers, one-handed, without leverage.

    I think it's just a case of the writer figuring she would disassemble the chair's arm, the propmaster not knowing that when he picked out the chair, and the director just throwing his hands up and making sure we couldn't see what was going on.

    The writers are in LA, by the way...I wonder if they're on a schedule so tight there just isn't time to adapt the scripts to the sets, locations, and props that are available...this sort of thing happens fairly regularly on WD, where something that sounds good in isolation makes little sense in the execution. (Ironically, Robert Kirkman moved his family from Kentucky to LA to work on the show. Maybe he should have stayed! :D)
     
  12. Apr 1, 2013 #32 of 190
    Beryl

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    I was screaming at my TV and I'm one of those quiet movie watchers. Even Milton told her to hurry up and get out of the chair but they had the character spend a ridiculous amount of time reminiscing and staring at Milton. They seem to make some main characters so hated that the audience hope they die. T-Dog and Dale were notable exceptions. Also, Merle redeemed himself so well that I was sad that he bit it.
    I so loved Carl this season. He told his father right. That guy from Tyreese's group was an idiot and needed Carl lessons. Never put a gun on a sociopath unless you plan to use it.
     
  13. Apr 1, 2013 #33 of 190
    fmowry

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    He could have left her a hacksaw and it would have been an impossibility. Didn't anyone watch Merle in S1? Or Mad Max in 1979? :)
     
  14. Apr 1, 2013 #34 of 190
    David Platt

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  15. Apr 1, 2013 #35 of 190
    Anubys

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    There were so many ways around it given the props they had. They just didn't care to spend an extra 5 minutes figuring it out in pre-production.

    I love this show but it's very carelessly done from start to finish. We're not talking "revolution-bad", but it's up there!
     
  16. Apr 1, 2013 #36 of 190
    Cearbhaill

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    I really wanted the Governor character gone for good- all the human vs. human crap is not nearly as compelling to me as humans vs. zombie apocalypse.
    And it irks me to no end that folks can pick off a zombie at 100 yards but cannot manage to hit a human at half that range and they don't even have to be accurate headshots. So many bullets flying during these battles but very few actually do any good.

    I loved how ambiguous the Carl shooting was played- I've always thought he would turn out to be either a sociopath or a natural born leader, and the straddling of the two is marvelous.
    My favorite character by far.
    I don't think he can be held accountable for any missteps as his development as a person has been totally ignored by both his parents while they are off doing their own thing. One would think at least one fireside chat per day would be called for when you are responsible for raising a child under these circumstances. Especially since Lori's death- he should have been in talks with people daily to help him sort out what is going on inside him. Sure, someone had to do it, but a child?
    That person's child?

    Did Rick ever sit down and have a seriously deep discussion with him about that?
    He dropped the ball and is to blame for putting everyone and everything else ahead of seeing to Carl's mental health. I mean, yeah, Rick has a lot on his plate, but caring for your child is not the thing you sacrifice when you get busy. Why bother to try and save the world if you can't be bothered to see that the young impressionable kids are raised adequately to carry on the human race? The children should be a priority. They are living in a very black and white world and need to be taught about gray. You don't expect kids to automatically know these things.
    I can see why Carl might overcompensate and think he can do everything alone- he's been allowed to over and over. Herschel just stood there doing nothing, the kid was advancing, so Carl made a choice. And Herschel's telling of the tale conveniently left out "I just stood there with my thumb up my butt while Carl stepped up."
    I hope he feels guilty for allowing a child to take control.
    They let Carl go, they gave him a gun, and he shot an enemy- deal.
    I would watch him and have those hard discussions but not look at him like he's pure evil.
     
  17. Apr 1, 2013 #37 of 190
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Another issue I have in line with the last couple posts is that the show seems to have no sense that the characters are doing anything in the vast majority of the time when we're not watching. You'd think they all would have extensive conversations about everything, but there's no indication of that. You'd think they'd be planning things, but we only see that retroactively when they (the writers) need it to happen. And with so many of this show's flaws, they are endemic to television in general, but here they're taken to new levels, even in situations where they're plot-critical (I'm thinking of the Guv's magical pursuit of Andrea, but there are many other examples).

    It has become far too common in modern American television for writers to be satisfied with coming up with really cool stuff, without considering how that really cool stuff fits together. And I think a lot of viewers just don't care (Battlestar is a good example of that), which is why they keep getting away with it.
     
  18. Apr 1, 2013 #38 of 190
    pmyers

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    I just didn't understand our Hero's goal/plan for the prison raid. It looked to me that they weren't trying to shoot them, only scare them away....but then what's the point of that? If they did want to kill the townspeople, they had the perfect chance to setup boobytraps.
     
  19. Apr 1, 2013 #39 of 190
    Rob Helmerichs

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    And they were so excited when the Townies ran...how does that help them? They escaped unscathed, now they know what you're up to...if the Guv didn't turn out to be a homicidal maniac willing to kill every able-bodied person in his community save two because he didn't approve of their attitude in the light of an unexpected setback, the Prisoners would have been screwed.

    There's a new guy in charge of the show next year. I hope that's a good thing.
     
  20. Apr 1, 2013 #40 of 190
    SeanC

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    I think the writers wanted them to look like the good guys taking the higher path, but that's just moronic with gun fight. When someone is shooting at you you shoot them, center mass, until they stop shooting at you.

    Oh and that reminds me.... the whole Guv losing it and wasting his own people.

    Who in their right mind witnesses that, shugs their shoulders, and gets in the car with the insane ******* that just murdered 10-15 people?

    Because if he is willing to drop a bunch of random people for no reason, what would make you think you are safe?

    The second he started opening fire on his own people someone, ANYONE, should have shot him. But that would make too much sense, and close possible plot lines the writers want to use.

    I'm barely hanging onto this SP.
     

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