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Walking Dead 11/17 "Live Bait"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by betts4, Nov 17, 2013.

  1. Nov 18, 2013 #41 of 114
    stellie93

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    I read a prequel-- The Rise of the Governor--
    In it you were introduced to 2 brothers--a good guy and a more violent, crazy guy. The crazy guy was killed, and the quiet, nice brother (Brian) took his name and became the Governor. So Brian is his name, if they're following that.

    I missed what was written on the barn--I'll have to rewatch.

    I kept waiting for the girls to be killed, or maybe him to kill them when the kid couldn't see him, so he could have her to himself.
     
  2. Nov 18, 2013 #42 of 114
    madscientist

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    I'm a bit surprised by the hate for this episode. I, for one, was glad to get out of the prison for a while. Very claustrophobic and the plotlines are getting old. I was happy to see some new faces and meet some new people. Also, I thought David Morrissey did a fantastic job and I found his performance going virtually catatonic then coming out of it again very compelling. Plus his efforts being out in dangerous territory basically by himself, instead of in a well-orchestrated crew like we see from the prison residents, was quite nerve-wracking.

    I agree he didn't seem to be really prepared. I've never understood why they sometimes go by walkers and leave them be. If it were me, if I had a chance, I'd just knife them all as I went by. You never know when you need to make a quick exit and you might as well keep it clear. Closing the door on that one walker was one thing, but leaving the wheelchair walker? Not smart IMO. And where was his knife in the pit? Strange.

    Sure it was obvious from the first minute that the father was going to die: in fact they said as much themselves.

    And I'm looking forward to next week's episode as well: we may see the beginnings of the next "human" threat to the prison crowd.
     
  3. Nov 18, 2013 #43 of 114
    betts4

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

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    I agree with you, I am not sure why this episode is raising such hate or dislike. Getting away from the prison and seeing some more of what other survivors have had to deal with brings it back home that the prison isn't all that bad.

    One thing with this show is that they have said from the beginning that people you will come to care about will die and people you just meet will die and lots of people will die. If the girls die in the next episode, well, that's life in Walking Dead land. If one dies and the others go on to live with the Gov or at the prison, then that could be workable too.

    But now we have a new dynamic. Not the Governor and his ladies but the Governor's buddy that pulls him out of the trench and what he is in to.
     
  4. Nov 19, 2013 #44 of 114
    jradosh

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    This is my take too.

    Overall I wasn't wild about the episode because I found the actor playing the "fist bumping" daughter to be unbelievable. And I was never sure of the Gov's motivation or inner-dialog either. His emoting functions on two levels... scowl and not-scowl. Other than that, he gives me nothing.
     
  5. Nov 19, 2013 #45 of 114
    heySkippy

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    I liked this episode a lot. Anything that gets us out of that prison is good and new characters are good.
     
  6. Nov 19, 2013 #46 of 114
    T-Wolves

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    I liked the episode as well. I was getting tired of the "sick people at the prison have meaningful conversations" storyline.

    So it appears that we get one more Governor-centric episode and then the following episode is the mid-season finale, right? I'm guessing it won't be a Thanksgiving episode... :eek:
     
  7. Nov 19, 2013 #47 of 114
    Cearbhaill

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    What happens in the comics stays in the comics- it isn't relevant to the TV show.

    If you watched The Talking Dead Morrissey said specifically that the name Brian was chosen
    because he saw it on the side of the barn and it just popped into his head when he was asked his name.
     
  8. Nov 19, 2013 #48 of 114
    Hank

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    I liked this episode too for reasons already stated (and you know I'm very critical of the show in general). I just don't like that they turned the Gov into the next Machonne who never talks. I can understand being emotionally scarred, but come on, he's not mute.

    Also, didn't they say that truck was filled with food? But on the run when they showed the back of the truck opened, they only showed two boxes of food in the back. WTF? Hey, you're going to need more than that. Where did the rest of the food go? Don't tell me you unloaded it and left it for other survivors to find.
     
  9. Nov 19, 2013 #49 of 114
    Anubys

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    one direction they can go is that the Guv wants the prison to himself to protect his new family.

    Did anyone else get the impression that the 2 guys at the beginning of the show abandoned/run away from the Guv?
     
  10. Nov 19, 2013 #50 of 114
    NJ_HB

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    I think they said it WAS filled with food and they apparently had been living off the truck since the chaos started. (Their dad worked for the company.)
     
  11. Nov 19, 2013 #51 of 114
    Bierboy

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    This....what a waste of time....ugh. Probably the worst ep of the series and most certainly the worst of this season...

    Oh, and, if they're in wheelchairs are they called "rollers"?
     
  12. Nov 19, 2013 #52 of 114
    Hank

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    That's totally what I thought. What else could it be? They packed up their tents and took the truck. That's why I don't get the implied tension at the end of the episode. What did the Gov do to them (other than kill everyone else)?

    I thought they still asserted that it was mostly full and they had years supply of pepperoni sticks.
     
  13. Nov 19, 2013 #53 of 114
    Bierboy

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    But these are people we have no "attachment" to; we don't care about them. I still maintain it was a VERY poor episode and just took up some time...

    Totally agree; the acting was subpar at best...horrible at worst.
     
  14. Nov 19, 2013 #54 of 114
    heySkippy

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    I don't have that much attachment to anyone on this show. It's not like any of them are totally likeable.
     
  15. Nov 19, 2013 #55 of 114
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Um...duh? :confused:
     
  16. Nov 19, 2013 #56 of 114
    madscientist

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    Definitely they left him. Who wouldn't? He was obviously completely unstable and they didn't appear to have much attachment to him as a person.

    The big tension at the end of the episode comes from two things: first, the governor knows this guy and knows he's not a nice person, so he's worried for his companions.

    And second, he's been lying to the women since the first second about who he was: not just his name, but that he was blameless or a victim in the breakdown of the town. He said that the head man lost it. When they find out who is really is and what he's really done, he may lose his new surrogate daughter.

    Eh, what? Every new person that comes on the show is someone "we have no attachment to". Are you saying that no new characters should ever be introduced? With the rate of deaths on this show that would quickly mean no more show.

    As for the acting, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

    I'm glad for this episode and I hope we get more new people, new stories, new faces next week. The prison was boring me. It was claustrophobic, and verging on soap opera. Give it a rest for a while! I want to get out into the country and see what's going on!

    You guys can continue to hang at the prison and yell "get off my lawn!" at the fence zombies :D
     
  17. Nov 19, 2013 #57 of 114
    DevdogAZ

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    I'm actually surprised there isn't more dislike. Seems to me most in this thread liked it and I just don't understand that.

    I think that was pretty obvious. They didn't like him that much to begin with, but when he became basically catatonic, they realized he was not only unpleasant but also a threat to their survival if they had to babysit him. So they ditched him and left him to die. And the scene at the end I assume was them being shocked that he was still alive.
     
  18. Nov 19, 2013 #58 of 114
    Bierboy

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    Nor I....
     
  19. Nov 19, 2013 #59 of 114
    Bierboy

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    I never said "no new characters should ever be introduced"....give me a character I actually care about, then I'm fine. The acting was dreadful by this new group of characters; the weakest I've seen among "new characters" introduced in WD...
     
  20. Nov 19, 2013 #60 of 114
    Rob Helmerichs

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    :D I may not entirely agree or disagree with your larger points. But this was funny.
     

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