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Veronica Mars Movie - SPOILERS INSIDE

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  1. Mar 13, 2014 #1 of 147
    dswallow

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    I just got back from one of the 8pm fan event showings. It was a lot of fun. I brought a friend who had not yet managed to watch any of the series and so far he seems to have enjoyed the movie and is looking forward to watching the series.

    One thing I was wondering about, and I suppose I could find it by hunting around online, but maybe someone can answer -- the basis of the mystery in the movie came from the death aboard the boat... was that something ever brought up in the series or was that new backstory created for the movie?
     
  2. Mar 14, 2014 #2 of 147
    cmontyburns

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    I rewatched most of the series right after the Kickstarter reached its funding goal -- i.e. about a year ago, so my memory on it isn't the freshest. But I'm fairly confident the boat backstory is new for the movie.

    I'm glad I went to the screening. It was fun seeing the movie with fellow fans. The theater was energetic and everyone enjoyed hooting at the nods in the movie to us, laughing at the jokes, and so on.

    As for the movie itself -- this is the Internet, so let me get my (mild) complaint out first.

    All throughout, I kept feeling like I was watching a TV show on the big screen. This may be because it actually was a TV show, but something about it felt kind of small. I don't mean in terms of the budget -- the money was obviously well-spent -- but plenty of low-budget movies have felt quite at home in cinemas and this one didn't quite. I wanted the presentation of it to say, "This obviously deserves to exist in this context", and it didn't, not really. Now that I've seen the movie and am reading reviews, I see many national film critics saying something similar. So I don't think it was just me. (None of which means I recommend against seeing it in a theater. It's a good-looking movie and a real thrill seeing these characters shown large.)

    I almost wish Rob T. had gone with his preference and not made the fan-wish-fulfillment version of the movie. I totally get why he did, and can only imagine I would have done the same thing. I enjoyed the result immensely, but suspect that grounding it so firmly in its TV roots kept it from becoming something more. For example, I never cared for Veronica's relationship with Logan (or Piz) one bit, so it did nothing for me for the movie to put them together again. That just felt rote. Going a different way might have been more interesting.

    All that said, there is lots of good stuff here and I'm quite satisfied overall. KB is so good, as expected; I could watch her as this character in really any story that Rob T. wants to tell. The trademark VM repartee is in good form -- the audience laughed so hard at several lines that it was often hard to hear the next bit of dialog -- and the rhythms of the actors working together so well just felt right. The murder story was a bit trite, but then the mystery wasn't really the point. I loved that the movie made the point that the version of Veronica we want -- the private eye (and for most people, with Logan), rather than the lawyer (with Piz) -- is actually the one that is worse for her in many respects. That's dark. And the class struggle stuff in Neptune felt even more apropos today. Everybody obviously was having a great time. It was infectious.

    This movie is not going to win an Academy award. It may not even win a sequel. But I'm a satisfied backer. Knowing how it came out, I'd pledge all over again, probably for even more.
     
  3. Mar 14, 2014 #3 of 147
    Peter000

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    I rented it last night from iTunes. Looked good, was a good VM story, and had lots of fun, familiar faces. But I don't feel I missed anything by not seeing it in the movie theater.
     
  4. Mar 14, 2014 #4 of 147
    madscientist

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    Saw it last night at the 8pm showing in Boston with my wife and kids. There were two theaters full of fans (they added a second when the first sold out in minutes). Everyone was very pumped; as with cmonty I definitely missed some lines due to laughter etc. but that's OK since I can watch it again.

    I agree it's not a must-see-on-the-big-screen movie (although for me, at the prices they are now (grump grump), very few movies are). However I was glad I went to the fan event; it was fun to see it with people who were so excited.

    The movie itself was pretty good, although I agree with my son who said it felt like a season plot arc from the TV show, with all the "extra stuff" around it removed to fit into a movie. RT brought the funny with many great lines, and the inside jokes were not too deep for the most part...I don't think it required any familiarity with the TV show to "get" the movie. Some jokes were even outside the show (Leo's reference to Veronica joining the FBI for example: "maybe in another life" :(). I confess I really jumped when Gia got shot... he got me and it's rare that happens anymore (I thought Cobb was running around to the door). The entire plotline with Eli seemed odd to me though... why does he go back to the bikers at the end? I didn't see a lot of motivation for that. I thought he'd given all that up for his wife and baby.

    There were a lot of possibilities for future adventures left open, although I'm not sure how that will happen. I just don't think they can go back to the Kickstarter well again--it would probably work at least one more time, but seems kind of lame. I'll be very interested to see what kind of money the movie makes on its own.

    Having the plot include Veronica coming back after a long time away was very smart: you could see a lot of genuine emotion from the actors getting to work together again, and it translated well into the plot.

    The product placement was a leeeetle over the top, but whatever.

    James Franco was a riot: loved is little eye-roll when his assistant was "acting" on the video. Also, Max Greenfield's scene with Kristen was really fantastic... that was one that might not have worked so well if you weren't familiar with the show, though.
     
  5. Mar 14, 2014 #5 of 147
    dswallow

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    What product placement? I can't think of anything that stood out right now.
     
  6. Mar 14, 2014 #6 of 147
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    Like cmonteburns said I'm confident that boat backstory was new for the movie.

    Now we had briefly seen the girl, Susan Knight, who died on the boat; she was the one who was pregnant with Mr. Rooks baby (Veronica's favorite teacher) back in season 1 (ep: Mars vs Mars). (Hence the passing reference to her talk on the boat about having had to up a baby)

    And Cary Bishop (aka Bonnie DeVille) was Susan's friend and the one who pretended to have had an affair with Mr. Rooks to get him in trouble (becuase Susan didn't want to come forward).


    So new backstory, but with recurring characters.
    (And I hadn't realized all this while watching the movie; this was courtesy of some quick googling last night)
     
  7. Mar 14, 2014 #7 of 147
    Jonathan_S

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    Logan's Jag? That's really the only thing that came to mind.


    Although tangentially I did wonder at Veronica being happy to use a 9 year old digital camera (and without a comment; unlike the old analog bugs). Yeah, the optics are still top notch; but wouldn't sensors have significantly improved in that time?
     
  8. Mar 14, 2014 #8 of 147
    dswallow

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    A car has to be some brand. It's not like we had exposition like Logan talking about his great deal on a Jag. "product placement," at least in the derisive sense which seems to be the only thing ad execs comprehend when buying product placement, has to stand out unnaturally in a story or scene.

    Silliness ensues with anti-product placement, where obvious logos are blacked out -- like when obvious Sony TVs have the "SONY" logo blacked out in way it really couldn't say anything but "SONY" under the blackout. Or when Coke is obviously being consumed but of 300 different shots with a Coke can every single one of them has the ingredient label pointing at us.

    But a luxury vehicle being driven by Logan? Nothing unnatural there, really.

    I really was expecting her to reminisce about the camera/lens then start using something like a Lumia 1020, but that never happened, either.
     
  9. Mar 14, 2014 #9 of 147
    cmontyburns

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    Samsung was the obvious one.
     
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    Jonathan_S

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    Was that who made the tablet Gia had? Or was there some Samsung placement I totally missed. (In any case I don't recall features or branding getting played up much...)

    Kind of like Doug said with the car, it's probably be more obtrusive to make up a fake tablet company than to just use a real one. (I guess you could have had a Kane Software tablet; but that's a bit of a stretch)
     
  11. Mar 14, 2014 #11 of 147
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    They did mention that the tablets were galaxy, "the small ones". Samsung also was the laptop brand in the Vinnie Van Lowe's van.
     
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    Was Carrie Bishop the only one played by a different actor? Leighton Meester was the original Carrie, but Andrea Estella was Bonnie/Carrie in the movie.
     
  13. Mar 14, 2014 #13 of 147
    cmontyburns

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    Samsung was a sponsor. Their logo was all over some of the fan and press event stuff and they obviously also paid to be in the movie. Under the circumstances, I'm fine with that.
     
  14. Mar 14, 2014 #14 of 147
    StacieH

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    In the theater now. Movie starts in 20. Only 5 others in the theater.
     
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    dswallow

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    Probably about the norm for a mid-day weekday, isn't it?

    --Doug.
     
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    Just rented it on Amazon. I really enjoyed it. Maybe Logan can pay Veronica's student loans :-D
     
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    StacieH

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    Probably. Though it is the end of spring break. There ended up being about 25.
     
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    Samsung and Pepsi were obvious product placements.

    My wife and I saw it this afternoon in Tyngsboro, MA. Yes, it's a movie-length TV show. Unlike with Serenity,it worked very well. My wife was a fan of the show and loved the movie, saying that all the characters and the dialogue were just as good as the show. I came into it not knowing much at all,having not watched the show, but I liked it too. I obviously didn't catch quite all the returning characters, but I didn't feel as if I was missing out.

    Is this Oscar material? No. Is it solid entertainment? Yes. I don't know how well it will play to those who came in absolutely cold, but it's a good story.

    In the early days of the KS campaign, one of the rewards was a speaking part, where the "actor" was play a waiter presenting a check. I didn't spot that in the film.

    Nice cameos from Jamie Lee Curtis, Ira Glass and an unbilled James Franco.
     
  19. Mar 14, 2014 #19 of 147
    deaklet

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    We missed the Ira Glass cameo. We thought it got cut from the radio scene.

    I don't buy Logan as a Navy pilot. Though Jason Dohring and a uniform was....STUNNING.

    I was entirely pleased.
     
  20. Mar 14, 2014 #20 of 147
    Maui

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    I kind of had the feeling that they came up with the idea for the uniform and filled in the rest.

    Plot wise I kept thinking back to Natalie Woods mysterious death when the boat plot came up.

    I really enjoyed it. It definitely felt like a feature length episode of the series, which is a good thing.
     

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