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Veronica Mars movie -- if you help!

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by cmontyburns, Mar 13, 2013.

  1. Mar 14, 2013 #101 of 1125
    mwhip

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    Now the rumor is a re-watch of the series with live tweeting by cast members. Sweet.

    What else will KB do while the baby sleeps? :D
     
  2. Mar 14, 2013 #102 of 1125
    KungFuCow

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    2.5 mil.. seems to have really tapered off. Maybe it will pick back up when they announce some new packages. I might even bump mine up.
     
  3. Mar 14, 2013 #103 of 1125
    cmontyburns

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    But the contributors are only half the story, or less. We've funded the production of the the thing. It still needs to make money. Well, "needs to" in the sense that none of this matters if the people involved in making things like this don't see that they can profit from their time. It's awesome that tens of thousands of us made this happen, but most of us are now getting the thing now for no extra cost. The next challenge is for it to show some profit. If no non-contributors buy a ticket or the digital version, getting this to happen won't matter much in the grande scheme of things.
     
  4. Mar 14, 2013 #104 of 1125
    raebyddet

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    I'm not going to contribute to the Kickstarter, but I will for sure pay to consume the movie at some point. So there will be a market beyond just the Kickstarter community.

    Also this is going to drive digital downloads and dvd sales of the existing seasons, which everyone involved gets some kind of part of, so this makes the whole brand more valuable.
     
  5. Mar 14, 2013 #105 of 1125
    cmontyburns

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    Certainly we hope that's the outcome. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating and all that. Look at Serenity... you won't find a more passionate group of fans than the Firefly bunch. They were enough to get the movie made, and then it pretty much bombed. The best those fans can hope for now is the occasional appearance at ComicCon because studio interest is dead.

    The good news for us in VM land is that it isn't going to take much for this effort to turn a profit (I wouldn't think). And I don't think anyone believes this is going to be a smash, even on a relative scale. So hopefully the whole property gets enough of a bump that it will mean good things.

    Regardless of any of that, I'm awfully excited about this and really looking forward to seeing more VM!
     
  6. Mar 14, 2013 #106 of 1125
    KungFuCow

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    Looks like a lot of people from niche shows have taken an interest in this.. Zachery Levi sort of hinted they may do the same thing for a Chuck movie.. I could get behind that as well.
     
  7. Mar 14, 2013 #107 of 1125
    Graymalkin

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    Veronica Mars now up to $2.7 million. The initial rush has worn off, I guess.
     
  8. Mar 14, 2013 #108 of 1125
    DreadPirateRob

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    It's not surprising. The hardcore fans were all over it yesterday, and that was bound to taper off. From reading the comments, it sounds like most international pledges were of the lowest level because of the no-international shipping for the rewards. Rob Thomas said in an email today they are working on that, so I would guess that if they open the reward tiers up to international there would be another big spike (though nothing like yesterday).

    But $2.7M in 24 hours is damn impressive no matter what.
     
  9. Mar 14, 2013 #109 of 1125
    gweempose

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    The difference is that Serenity had a $40M budget. Even if something like Kickstarter existed back then, there is no way they could have raised that kind of capital. The fact that Joss managed to get that movie made is a miracle in itself. I also think, while perhaps not quite as passionate as the Browncoats, there are way more VM fans out there. The show ran for three seasons, as opposed to half a season.

    As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the VM Kickstarter is going to have a huge impact on the entertainment industry. It is absolute proof that the fans are willing to backup their loyalty with their pocketbooks. Very exciting times!
     
  10. Mar 14, 2013 #110 of 1125
    gweempose

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    It not only beat the prior record in the film category, it actually set a new record for the highest goal achieved, period. In fact it set quite a few records yesterday:

    - Fastest Kickstarter project to hit $1M
    - Fastest Kickstarter project to hit $2M
    - Highest goal ever achieved
    - Largest film project in Kickstarter history
     
  11. Mar 14, 2013 #111 of 1125
    Azlen

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    I think it will have an impact but I don't think it will be a huge impact.
    The number of properties that have a dedicated following, where the principals are available and are willing to work cheaply, have a reasonable budget, couldn't get funding from traditional methods and could turn a profit even with the kickstarter money aren't really all that numerous.
     
  12. Mar 14, 2013 #112 of 1125
    eddyj

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    If I understand correctly, the $2 million (or whatever) will not be the whole budget, it almost seemed like "good faith" money to get the actual film company on board. From the OP:

     
  13. Mar 14, 2013 #113 of 1125
    cmontyburns

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    I bet this will inspire a lot of similar thoughts. I'd expect few of them to amount to anything, though. This is a great development but I think it took a perfect storm to get this result.

    1. A cadre of loyal fans that has kept a torch burning for the show
    2. A creator and star who have kept the torch burning for the show
    3. Principal actors who are willing to participate, probably at reduced compensation, and who are available during the narrow window when such a project would need to come together
    4. Enough time having passed that the torch still being lit meant there was a decent chance of getting results
    5. A show concept that was clearly not yet played out when the show went off the air
    6. A rightsholder willing to let the project go forward (Warner Brothers in the case of VM)
    7. A studio willing to market and distribute the result (i.e. help fund it)
    8. A bunch of internet people who may not care that much about the show, but wanted to be part of the buzzy internet thing of the day
    9. First-mover advantage (doing something on this scale had not been tried before)

    If any of those things weren't true in the case of VM, I don't think we'd be here now.

    I would guess at least a couple of those wouldn't hold true for Chuck. For me, I don't know if I would back a Chuck movie -- and I really enjoyed the show most of the time. (Or I probably would, I guess, but not nearly at the level I did for VM.) Chuck got five seasons and was pretty well exhausted when it ended. And I thought the ending was great... I thought the conclusion on the beach was beautiful and hopeful, and I don't think I really need to see anything past that point. That could just be me.
     
  14. Mar 14, 2013 #114 of 1125
    gweempose

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    Obviously, it takes a show with a huge cult following to pull off something of this magnitude, but I can see this project having a future impact in smaller ways. For example, there are a lot of shows that get cancelled and leave the audience hanging. I could see a Kickstarter being used to fund one final episode or a mini-series to wrap things up.

    In terms of other shows that have a large enough mass following to warrant something like this, Buffy is the most obvious candidate. If SMG and the rest of the cast were on board for a Buffy movie, the money would come pouring in so fast, it would be insane! Arrested Development is another obvious one, but we are fortunate that the series is already being brought back. Some shows I would have liked to have seen continue include:

    Firefly
    Farscape
    Andy Richter Controls the Universe
    Stargate Universe
    The Tick (live action version)
    Tru Calling
    Torchwood
    Mr. Show with Bob and David
    Better Off Ted
     
  15. Mar 14, 2013 #115 of 1125
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    I understood that to mean that the kickstarter money is the shooting budget, while Warners picks up the back end stuff, which is probably matching what kickstarter earned.

    And they said limited run, which probably means a two week run, in 100 theaters if we're lucky.
     
  16. Mar 14, 2013 #116 of 1125
    DreadPirateRob

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    Yeah, I was a big fan of Chuck, but I don't really feel like there is any major ground left to cover for those characters. We got to see Chuck & Sarah together, we got to see Casey happy, etc.

    I like your list, and the only show that I can really see being able to check off most of those items is Firefly/Serenity.

    • A cadre of loyal fans that has kept a torch burning for the show = Big check - still a big attraction at ComiCon and every other con
    • A creator and star who have kept the torch burning for the show = Big Check (see every Joss and Nathan interview pretty much ever)
    • Principal actors who are willing to participate, probably at reduced compensation, and who are available during the narrow window when such a project would need to come together = Big check - just about every one of the principal characters talks about their time on the show as their favorite job ever
    • Enough time having passed that the torch still being lit meant there was a decent chance of getting results = Check - Serenity came out 8 years ago
    • A show concept that was clearly not yet played out when the show went off the air = Big check = even with Serenity, there are still major storylines that went unexplored
    • A rightsholder willing to let the project go forward (Warner Brothers in the case of VM) = ?? - Fox is notoriously stingy, but did license to Universal so that Serenity could be made
    • A studio willing to market and distribute the result (i.e. help fund it) = ??
    • A bunch of internet people who may not care that much about the show, but wanted to be part of the buzzy internet thing of the day = ??
    • First-mover advantage (doing something on this scale had not been tried before) = ??

    The big problem with Firefly is that the budget would need to be much, much higher for a feature or even a mini-series. You're looking at $20-$25M probably.
     
  17. Mar 14, 2013 #117 of 1125
    DreadPirateRob

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    Hmmm. Hadn't really considered Buffy. I wonder if the fact that it had 7 years and well more than 100 episodes would limit the demand?
     
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    gweempose

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    If they can raise $3M for a VM movie in one day, I would think they could raise $10M for a Buffy movie no problem. Other than something like Star Trek or perhaps Doctor Who, I'm hard pressed to come up with a TV franchise that has a larger or more dedicated following than Buffy.
     
  19. Mar 14, 2013 #119 of 1125
    KungFuCow

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    Id be on board with a Buffy movie too.. Im really surprised it hasnt happened but SMG and AH seem to be doing pretty well without the show. Cant say as much for everyone else except maybe Seth Green.
     
  20. Mar 14, 2013 #120 of 1125
    gweempose

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    Yeah, 11 seasons of Family Guy is certainly nothing to sneeze at. :)

    Joss is undoubtedly in a powerful position in Hollywood these days after Avengers. Heck, I'm sure he could get a Dr. Horrible movie greenlit at this point with a sizable budget.
     

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