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Verizon penalizing TiVo / CableCard subscribers

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by jerryr001, Jun 2, 2012.

  1. Feb 9, 2013 #81 of 130
    audiodane

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    I'm getting close to that.. :) Don't know what brand I should buy though. I work 30 minutes in the opposite direction from the Knology local office, so I will have to go by there a day I'm local to see if they will show me what brand they currently use.. if it matters..

    Might just buy and try and just see what happens after all.. $10 ain't much.

    ..dane
     
  2. Feb 9, 2013 #82 of 130
    Bigg

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    I'd love to have FIOS, and have the "problem" of paying $6 per cablecard. Comcast is $7.50 per cablecard, but they have a discounted rate for the dual cablecard TiVos, I think it's like $1.50 for the second one.
     
  3. Feb 10, 2013 #83 of 130
    HerronScott

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    So I think you answered your own question although I find it interesting that the S3OLED has maintained the cablecard channel map without the cablecard and with the channel mapping being changed.

    I guess you could try that with the S3HD and get a cablecard for a month or 2 and then discontinue the service and see if it also returns the clear QAM channels and mapping.

    Scott
     
  4. Feb 10, 2013 #84 of 130
    audiodane

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    Unfortunately I never wrote down the 'actual' channels before.. So I don't "really know" much of anything. I just know my TV can't tune 901-905 when it used-to-could (how's that for good southern grammer), but my s3oled can. I'm "this close" to just buying one or two off ebay and just try 'em.. :)

    ..dane
     
  5. Feb 11, 2013 #85 of 130
    audiodane

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    Well I went ahead and bought a Motorola card today for under $7 shipped.. We'll see how that pans out first.. Not a whole lot to loose for less than 10 bucks.. If it gives me the free broadcast channel-mapping, then I am an extremely happy camper!

    (Since I've kind of derailed this thread, I'm going to post the same update to a more on-topic thread and stop pooping in this one.. Sorry guys!)

    ..dane
     
  6. Feb 11, 2013 #86 of 130
    HerronScott

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    Without getting it activated (which it's unlikely you'll be able to do), I'm not sure how it will help but let us know!

    Scott
     
  7. Feb 11, 2013 #87 of 130
    audiodane

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    Scott, I totally agree. I really don't know what I'm doing. Some posts lead me to believe it may get the channel map regardless, but only enable channel decryption after pairing and activation.. Other posts seem to indicate that absolutely nothing will work until it is paired and activated. So I really have no idea. I'm literally "shooting in the dark" here, because the bullet is just so cheap, with a potential for high return.. :) If it does work, great! If not, I may or may not try one more brand before tossing in the towel..

    I will certainly keep everyone posted. But in my other thread from now on.. This thread was originally for Verizon stuff, not fee-less cablecards.. The other thread is more on-topic..

    cheers,
    ..dane
     
  8. Feb 12, 2013 #88 of 130
    lessd

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    If the card was once used on your type of cable system it will work for you for maybe 30 to 60 days, if it had been used on another system it will not re-map so you would be out of luck. You can test this out if you have two cable card TiVos, just switch the cable card between TiVos and see what you get and don't get.
    This cable card crap was not put on us if it would have been easy to defeat by purchasing an E-Bay cable card, and they would cost much more than $10 if they did work; think what one would be saving, for some it would over $8/month. Bad people would be breaking into homes to steal cable cards, cable cards are as safe as digital cable boxes, as far as I know nobody has broken into any digital cable box as they did with the old analog cable boxes.
     
  9. Feb 12, 2013 #89 of 130
    slowbiscuit

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    He's not trying to use a card to get encrypted channels, just the maps. There's nothing the cableCo is out for by providing the maps for local channels in the clear.
     
  10. Feb 13, 2013 #90 of 130
    lessd

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    That may be what you think, but the cable co head end will not map any cable card until it is registered with the head end than paired (after the card is registered with the cable co the mapping may take place before it is paired), after that if you put that card into another cable card device the map will stay in the cable card letting you get the correct non encrypted channels, but as I said if within 30 to 60 days the card does not get any refresh command from the head end it will shut down. If the person you get the card from is in your area so the card is mapped to your area, and that seller does not report a lost cable card and keeps paying for the card it will work, not too likely to happen that way.
     
  11. Mar 26, 2013 #91 of 130
    audiodane

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    less, I appreciate what you're saying. This post in my other thread seems to indicate otherwise, however. The moto card didn't work, but the SA card seems to have worked (for the most part). You might also find it interesting that I looked up the phone number that the SA card referenced and it was for Comcast in Baltimore, MD.. I'm on Knology in Alabama. Not even the same cable company, much less my region. The card received a firmware update, and the channel map for most of the channels. I would certainly not call it perfect, but I would put it squarely between the two camps of "it will work fine" and "it will do nothing." There are certainly more variables at play here than I care to deal with.. It may be that you speaking from your experience is just as valid as me speaking from mine, if we're on different cable networks. If you're speaking only on theoreticals, then this may be evidence to change your mind.. I'm not wanting an argument, I just wanted to share my findings..

    cheers,
    ..dane
     
  12. Mar 28, 2013 #92 of 130
    lessd

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    I am just talking about Comcast in the Hartford CT area, no knowledge about any other system, if your card works for more than 60 days in the state it is in, please let us know. The idea of the cable cards was to control each cable outlet and pair each card to one piece of equipment, (so one could not move a card from room to room each room having its own cable equipment like a TV). Some cable co don't even require pairing but I think all MSO require the registration of each card. A friend sent me a TiVo (from out of my state) to fix and he did not take out the activated cable card, it was the same model as my cards but would not work on my cable system to get any channels, just keep saying something like trying to find channels, I left it that way for a few hours but nothing.
     
  13. Mar 28, 2013 #93 of 130
    Bigg

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    Cable Cards shouldn't work across systems.
     
  14. Jun 25, 2013 #94 of 130
    fredmertz

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    This is an old-ish thread, looking for updates. I recently became aware and signed up for the Verizon 200GC + FreeDVR for 12 months deal, with the intent of bringing my own TiVoHD and getting a 20/month discount off of the service. Verizon balked in much the same way as they did with Jerry. Just got a form letter today from Verizon saying that the DVR wasn't really bundled. In my followup, I'm planning to ask if I can stop by and pick up a free DVR without subscribing to the service, if it is not a part of the bundle?

    Has anyone gotten the full benefit of the part 76 rules yet?

    Thanks!
    Fred
     
  15. Sep 28, 2013 #95 of 130
    headless chicken

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    You can pickup an HD box or an SD box without service, but they will charge for it. Your first SD box is free with installation, but if you make the mistake of returning it (like I did) they will charge you if you ever want another SD box. I only returned mine because they claimed they'd give me an HD box free of charge but someone called me back within a week to rescind that offer.
     
  16. Sep 28, 2013 #96 of 130
    headless chicken

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    aaronwt

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    I'm glad it wasn't $5 several years ago. I used to pay FiOS $24 a month for cable cards when I used eight of them when I had S3 boxes.

    Now I'm down to one cable card so they only get $5 from a month from me in cable card fees.

    EDIT: I just looked at the post on the Verizon forums. It says you payed $500 for a lifetime subscription. Lifetime service was $400 back then or $300 with the MSD. Although I paid $200 for lifetime on a couple of my S3 boxes and $300 for another.

    FIOS has always charged per cable card. I don't see why they would suddenly change this now. Especially when it would affect such a small amount of users. When I got FiOS in Summer 2007 I needed two cable cards for each OLED S3 I owned. And paid per cable card That was their policy then, and it is still their policy today.
     
  18. Sep 28, 2013 #98 of 130
    headless chicken

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    I'll correct that figure.

    All the more reason to appease the customer, no? It's not like making this adjustment would adversely impact their revenue or anything, but it would make a big difference in customer satisfaction. Paying $10 in cablecard fees just to operate a single DVR box is absurd.
     
  19. Sep 30, 2013 #99 of 130
    NYHeel

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    Honestly, it's more absurd that the Series 3 boxes require two cable cards.

    But yes, I agree that $5 a month for a cable card is outlandish. I just got a Roamio and a new cable card (needed a new one as old ones had issues with HBO) so I'm down to one cable card. Prior to this I had the same 2 cards for about 4.5 years. I paid them about $216 plus tax for each card at $4 a month. I just now turned them in when I got the Roamio. I think Verizon did very well on my cards.
     
  20. Oct 1, 2013 #100 of 130
    mr.unnatural

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    No, what's absurd is that people are bitching about technology that didn't exist. Let's go over this one last time so you can understand it. The S3 was developed before multi-stream cards were available so Tivo had to use single stream cards. They had no other choice, period. This is a hardware design issue and can't be upgraded with a software fix. The Tivo HD and later models were introduced after multi-stream cards became available, hence the reason they only use a single card.

    If you want to use both tuners in a S3 OLED Tivo then you have to use two cards. This is not an option. If you don't like it, get a different Tivo.
     

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