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Verizon FiOS Network "Enhancements"

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by caughey, Mar 6, 2013.

  1. wmcbrine

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    Interesting question. It never occurred to me to try that. I'll have to wait for some MPEG4 channels to become available again before I can test if the S3 can record them (I expect not). It can store the recordings, at least after a fashion, since I pulled some from the Premiere. And you can extract transport streams from the S3 (although you can't send them back), so it might be possible to pull them off again intact.

    But, even if it works, it doesn't seem terribly useful. :confused:

    I doubt that very much.
     
  2. lrhorer

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    Don't be foolish. The transition to h.264 is a temporary band-aid. It gains at the very most a 100% increase in effective bandwidth, and that just isn't going to cut it. Of course, in the case of FIOS, they can simply abandon their fixed broadcast network entirely, and switch everything to IPTV. That is not practical with a traditional CATV system.

    Overall I am very happy with my new CATV provider, but I desperately wish they would implement SDV. Although I pay somewhat less than I did with TWC, it is really not nearly enough less to justify the loss of over 30 channels of prime content. ( I also lost about 100 channels of junk, but I don't really care about that.)

    They are trying to get people to upgrade so they can make more money.
     
  3. Bigg

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    What does FIOS need more than DOUBLE the capacity for? Even if they do, they will probably load the QAM system up to the gills, and then put the least popular stuff or specialized sports packages that aren't always on on IP, as they already have the QAM system set up and working well, so they may as well leverage it as hard as they can.
     
  4. mattack

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    Are we in opposite-land today?

    I honestly don't remember anyone else saying they liked SDV before. (At least not when they had to deal with SDV boxes.)
     
  5. Bigg

    Bigg On the fence to being a cord-cutter.

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    Exactly. And it makes no sense in a world where cable is the last thing in that dark ages of MPEG-2, and can relatively easily move to MPEG-4. SDV also doesn't really fit in with the FIOS model, even though theoretically it could be run over FIOS's 256QAM system.
     
  6. sevenx7

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    I'm glad i purchased a Premiere now! I just had FIOS set up and am glad to be back in the TiVo family, I'm glad i didnt get a TivoHD like i was going to. The Premiere seems to be the right choice for FIOS right now.
     
  7. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time TCF Club

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    As someone else pointed out in another thread this also means you can store more hours of program on your TiVo.

    It would be nice if someone with a Premiere recorded an hour show on or before the switch on April 15 and then recorded the same exact show after the switch so we could compare the two.

    Anybody out there willing to do this?
     
  8. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time TCF Club

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    I would think you could transfer to a PC, convert to a format compatible with an S3 and transfer it to the S3. KMTTG should be able to do this, yes?
     
  9. am95

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    Yea, not very useful for the average person but it would work for my purposes. I'll have to give it a try next month after the update and report back if no one has done so by then.
     
  10. rlcarr

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    Where was the email sent to? I haven't received it at my @verizon.com address and I haven't received it at any other address I've ever given to Verizon. FWIW, I'm in the Boston area.
     
  11. Dan203

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    Actually the code is already written. They sell a version of the TiVo HD in New Zealand where they broadcast in H.264 and they can record the channels just fine.

    This is most likely a marketing poly to get S3/HD customers to move up to the Premiere units and not a technical issue.
     
  12. waynomo

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    It was sent to my main verizon.net email address.
    It arrived on 3/5.
    The sender was verizon-services@verizon.com.
    The subject was "Important Information Regarding Your FiOS TV Equipment."

    (Now it is correct!)
     
  13. lpwcomp

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    And the Australian S3/HD has the same decoding hardware as the U.S. version?
     
  14. Dan203

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    It's based the same platform as the TiVo HD. I'm not 100% sure if all the chips are exactly the same but we know the TiVo HD can decode H.264 so even if it's not the same exact chip it should still work.

    Obviously I can't say for sure, but I would bet that this is more of a marketing move then a technical one. They stopped selling the TiVo HD 3 years ago, and never promised that it would work with H.264. Why give users of old units a feature they were never promised when you can offer the feature in the newer model units and entice them to upgrade instead?
     
  15. Bigg

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    Because it really pisses your customers off?
     
  16. lrhorer

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    To meet the demands of the market. TWC is already using at least 4 -5 times the throughput of Verizon's QAM network. OF course, Verizon has an IPTV network, as well, so as I already said, they can circumvent the need if they choose by simply shutting down the QAM network altogether.

    That's true, but sooner or later the QAM network will not meet their needs unless they implement some sort of switched platform on it. Fortuntely for them, the switch boundary can be right at the individual dwelling entrance. CATV companies do not have that luxury.
     
  17. Dan203

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    Why? The TiVo HD still does exactly what was advertised when they sold them. They have no obligation to anyone to make it do more then that just because your cable company is making a change that effects your expectations.

    I'm sure if TiVo had a large number of S3 users that were still paying monthly they would reconsider, but they have the numbers and have decided that it's not in their financial interest. Even if it pisses off every HD user.
     
  18. Dan203

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    But Verizon doesn't use the QAM network for anything except programming so doesn't that give them more bandwidth on the QAM network compared to the average cable company who shares it with internet, VOD, music channels, etc?
     
  19. lrhorer

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    I never recall anyone saying they liked Starz Comedy, either, but I am willing to bet many do. I know for an actual fact many of us who have TAs were thrilled with their capabilities. Many of the people I have seen complaining about them were doing nothing but childish whining. Having to reboot a TA every few weeks is simply not a big problem, especially not when one considers its presence allows one to access many thousands of hours of premium content not available without it. Easily 90% of my recording was done from SDV channels, and much of that done from non-SDV channels was low priority content I could very easily have missed without much concern.

    Meanwhile, the TA was more reliable than the S1 combined with a CATV leased STB, and vastly more reliable than the SA8300HD I was forced to endure for nine long months. I would be thrilled to have to deal with 3 or 4 times the trouble I had with the TAs if I could now get MGMHD, the STARZ HD channels other than the main channel, the Showtime HD channels other than the main channel, the Cinemax HD channels other than the main channel, Lifetime Movie Channel HD, and about a dozen others; about 40 in all. It was a small inconvenience for a huge amount of programming. Is it nice not to have to worry about the TA? Surely, but then it would be nice not to have to worry about my bank account, too.
     
  20. lrhorer

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    The big advantage they get is from not having any analog channels and from having a 1GHz network, but yes, they get an advantage in having a second network, too.

    The point is, TWC can (and does) broadcast as many a a dozen or more unique copies of every broadcast channel they have. Every TWC user can press a button on their STB that will start over any broadcast channel for the user (no DVR required) up to something like 10 or 20 minutes after it has started, producing a unique video stream for that one customer and no one else. I don't think they have more HD channels than Verizon, but they certainly have far more than most CATV systems. More importantly, they can easily grow the current number of 400 or so HD channels to 4000, or 40,000, or 400,000 any time they like with only a very minimal cost. They don't even have to bother to drop their analog channels, although I suspect they will in the middle future.

    I'm not saying their broadcast horizon is much greater than Verizon's, but it is much, much greater than most CATV companies, and their network cost them a fraction of what Verizon's did per subscriber. Meanwhile, Verizon is positioning themselves to get out of the FIOS market, and indeed they did in the Pacific Northwest. Fiber to the home is very expensive to build and very difficult to scale.
     

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