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Using the 3.0 (Un)support for broadband

Discussion in 'TiVo Underground' started by gleffler, Jun 1, 2002.

  1. Jun 4, 2002 #41 of 375
    spankspank

    spankspank Active Member

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    I think Tivo also expects UDP port 123 to be open for NTP. Make sure your firewall is not blocking it.

    Some folks have reported that their ISP is blocking the inbound of UDP 123. The fix for that was to rename ntpdate and create an executable shell script named ntpdate containing:

    ntpdate_old -bu 204.176.49.10 204.176.49.11

    This fix is only possible on Tivo Series I.
     
  2. Jun 4, 2002 #42 of 375
    droidicus

    droidicus New Member

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    Port 80 is open for outgoing traffic (otherwise I would not be able to read this forum :D ), I will have to check on UDP port 123 (I am on vacation, so it will have to wait a few days....). I think there was a problem I had in the past where my old ISP was blocking UDP port 123 for some insane reason, I hope that is not the case, as it took me over 20 phone calls and manny hours on the phone with almost everyone in the management of that ISP before they opened the port last time......

    Droid

    P.S. spankspank, I have a series 2, so that will not help my situation :(

    [Edit: I am assuming that no INbound ports need to be open for TiVo to work over broadband (that would be a very BAD design....), can anyone verify this for me? My Firewall blocks almost every inbound TCP port.]
     
  3. Jun 4, 2002 #43 of 375
    Raech

    Raech TiVo-ed since 11/00

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    Ok, I have two Philips SAs I'd like to add to my ATT broadband connection for calls.

    I have a linksys router what all do I have to do?
    Do I have to open new ports? And if so what do I call the devices? 102 and 103? (Have two pcs on alread which are 100 and 101).

    What parts are we sure work that I should buy to connect? Keep in mind the tivos are in the next room over from my router.

    And I run windows Me. So what do I need to do on my pc's end?

    Thanks cos all of the yes it does work no this doesn't was getting confusing.
     
  4. Jun 4, 2002 #44 of 375
    Otto

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    I have a Linksys Cable/DSL Router hooked to my cable modem, with no port forwarding active, and no special setup. My Tivo works fine through it.

    Actually, I occasionally open a port for a webserver to give someone a file, but I never leave it open for long. I do have a port trigger setup for IRC (identd) but it's only active when I'm on IRC. There's no inbound connections needed for the Tivo.
     
  5. Jun 4, 2002 #45 of 375
    spankspank

    spankspank Active Member

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    Inbound and outbound UDP 123 is required. I agree on the design flaw of using a privleged port. On Spire's Linksys BEFSR41 router (earlier in this thread) turning on Stateful Packet Inspection prevents the (default?) inbound blockage of UDP 123. SPI says - if the request initiates from the inside then the reply is accepted.

    Not being able to change a series 2 to use an unprivleged port might be a showstopper if your ISP blocks inbound port 123. Tivo should change ntpdate to use the high port.
     
  6. Jun 4, 2002 #46 of 375
    cameronj

    cameronj New Member

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    Pardon if this has been discussed, but there are SO many posts here I figure there must be a thread right up my alley..

    What I have is a Tivo SA with one hard drive, series 1, and I want to connect over the internet through my Win2000 PC. I have no router/switch/network at all, but i'm more than ready to install anything I need to. I want to use the add-in Turbonet card with ethernet, obviously I have not USB anyway. Is there a step by step, made for morons guide on how to do this?

    Thanks so much!
     
  7. Jun 5, 2002 #47 of 375
    Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

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    I'm not a export so I might be of some help. :)

    As you heard people like the linksys BEFSR41 router.

    If you read this online manual Linksys Manual
    It will have you all setup to use your Turbonet.

    Turbonet Install

    Tips:

    You must have DSL or Cable Internet service.

    You must have DHCP in hardware or software, which the linksys BEFSR41 router has.

    Do the install of the router and Turbonet (Turbonet is easier to install then a TiVonet) at the same time. Remember to change the dialing prefix on the TiVo to ,#401 If you like you can change it anytime before you install the turbonet card, the phone call still works with it in.

    When you do get to turning on the Computer and TiVo power up the TiVo without the case on to see if the red link light shows on the Turbonet card, and do a test call. it should work, then unplug and reassemble.

    Anytime you power-down the TiVo make sure you wait longer then 5 seconds to power up, so the TiVo will work with the router.

     
  8. Jun 5, 2002 #48 of 375
    Raech

    Raech TiVo-ed since 11/00

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    Ok Otto, so what I am hearing is no special things done to my router.

    So I need what two cables (I have two tivos is there a way to shunt these together? or do I have to take up two slots?) do I need? Do they make said cables long or is there a way to extend them? cos in a perfect world I would need 40ft total length.

    I do not have tivonet or ther other thing, I would just be connecting to my tivo itself with the cable that came with tivo.

    So all I need are cables and the know how to make it work with windows ME yes?

    Please let me know if I can not traverse this distance. Since I don't know what type of cable I need to connect with I have no idea if it is fesable.
     
  9. Jun 5, 2002 #49 of 375
    Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

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    Code:
    TURBONET TurboNET Ethernet Adapter  $69.25   
     
    PATCH50 50' Patch Cable $8.25  
     
    TurboNET-CONNECT TurboNET Network Connect Kit $6.00 
    You could do as I did and buy the board from PVRSpeed so you won't have to wait for the card.
     
  10. Jun 5, 2002 #50 of 375
    Otto

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    Err.. just get a long patch cable? Look, here's the basic concept:

    Cable<->Cable Modem<->Router<->Tivo (with TivoNet or TurboNet)

    No computer involved. The cables are all cat5, except for the cable from the wall to the cable modem. No special setup on the Linksys Router (it handles port 123 as an outgoing connection and deals with it automatically).

    40' or longer patch cables can be gotten many places. Or if you need to run a lot of cable, get a spool of cat5 and a crimping tool or something.

    The Linksys router has multiple ports.. or if you don't have any free connections, then buy a cheap hub and plug it into one of the ports, then the Tivo's into it. Just make sure you use the uplink port on the hub to connect to the switch/router. Simple.

    You could connect it serially using the serial cable to the Tivo, but not from 40 feet away, and not nearly as easily. You'd also not connect both of them that way, you'd have to keep switching back and forth. Screw it, just get a couple TivoNet's/TurboNet's. Easy. Why muck about with an imperfect solution?
     
  11. Jun 5, 2002 #51 of 375
    Raech

    Raech TiVo-ed since 11/00

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    so with either tivonet or turbonet all I need is the the card (tivo or turbo) for inside tivo and cat5 and the connectors. Cool. I have a bolt of cat5 already and a multi crimper.

    Thanks. I hate tivo using my phone line, and the needless one tivo trying to call and failing cos the other tivo is already calling junk on the normal phone line. :)
     
  12. Jun 6, 2002 #52 of 375
    vertigo235

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    Just ordered TurboNET $80! Im in NC :(

    I'll be dropping my land line once we move later this month :)
     
  13. Jun 6, 2002 #53 of 375
    dcampbe1

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    It's facinating to follow this thread on the various ways of connecting the PC to the TiVo. I'm pretty versed in PC system stuff but am having trouble visualizing what can be done with a connection to the TiVo. Does anyone have the background on such a connection as far as why you would want such a connection and what it can do for you, particularly if you have only a single Series 2 Tivo?
     
  14. Jun 6, 2002 #54 of 375
    dcampbe1

    dcampbe1 New Member

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    I've been hollering ever since I got my first TiVo for a 30 jump forward and never got any response from anyone. Yesterday, I discovered this forum and what's the first thing I stumbled into (without even looking for it)? Right, the SPS30S setting.

    I see you're just as elated over "the tick mark jump back". Could you share what that feature is and why you're so excited about it?

    Thanks.

    Dave
     
  15. Jun 6, 2002 #55 of 375
    gleffler

    gleffler This one goes to 11

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    You can eliminate your phone line if you hook up your TiVo to your computer with one of these methods. With the elimination of the 800 number from older standalones and some people dropping landline phone service, being able to use your existing Internet connection can be very useful.

    However, a Series 2 will be able to get even more benefit from the network in the future. There are plans to do some very cool things that will require broadband connectivity on the Series 2. Buy the $4.99 USB adapter and get networked! I think it'll be very nice for you to be 'future-proofed.'

    /gleffler
     
  16. Jun 6, 2002 #56 of 375
    dcampbe1

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    I'm running a wireless Linksys, wired to other pc's, wireless to a laptop and to a cable modem. Could I go wireless on the TiVo2? Is there a way to get the TiVo1 (2.5) connected also?

    Do you happen to know what the acronym ICS is?
     
  17. Jun 6, 2002 #57 of 375
    granoff

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    I'd love to connect my TiVo to my XP or Linux machines, but they are physically distant from one another. Making a hard connection between them would be difficult (but not impossible, although I'd prefer not to be fishing wires through ceilings. :)

    I'm wondering if there is some clever, small, device that is essentially "pppd in a box" that takes a serial connection in one side and has ethernet out the other side, at which point I could connect a wireless LAN adapter, etc...

    Anyone know of such a beast? There's just no way I can setup a PC anywhere near my TiVo. And I would prefer not to have to crack open my unit (and yes, I know what forum I'm talking to. :)

    Thanks!
     
  18. Jun 6, 2002 #58 of 375
    jab1981

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    I've never checked a log file on my Tivo. I did a brief search on the subject here... and came up with a detailed guide to enabling backdoor mode in order to get to a log file. But didn't have instructions for 3.0, and I'm a bit nervous about going in the "backdoor" so to speak. I would to check the log, but only if there's an "off" switch :D

    So what I'm asking is how do I check my log, and how do I get it back in ordinary working order (meaning all doors opened are closed afterwards)? Sorry for being the newbie here... never wanted to hack a tivo
     
  19. Jun 6, 2002 #59 of 375
    Otto

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    Read this (the first post) to understand backdoors: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26530

    Short answer:
    1. Enter "3 0 BC" in the Search by Name, and hit Thumbsup to turn backdoors on.
    2. Press CLEAR-ENTER-CLEAR-THUMBSUP on the main Tivo Central screen to get to the log files. Page up and down will scroll up and down, right arrow will cycle through the various log files, left arrow exits.

    Reboot the unit to turn backdoors off again.
     
  20. Jun 6, 2002 #60 of 375
    hutchca

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    I've seen devices like that but they are quite expensive.
    It would be cheaper to just go straight to ethernet with a TurboNet card ($70-80)
    Yes you have to open the case, but once you have 3.0, TurboNet is literally Plug-&-Play. You don't need to muck around with the disks at all.
    Then you could try something like this ethernet <> wirless bridge.
     

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