Surplus Computers is selling a couple Philips DVRs at I had links in my post, but the site is not letting me do so but they are both at surpluscomputers dot com followed by /348535/philips-hdr-series-60gb-tivo.html and /348536/philips-hdr-series-80gb-tivo.html It is claimed that these DVRs can be used wo TIVO service, and specifically referencing this site. Well, try as I might, I cannot find anything on these models on this site, nor anything that would give me guidance on whether I can use these without subscriptions, and if so, how. I have never had a DVR, but would very much like to have one, especially if I can get a deal on one, although I cannot see paying a monthly fee to make it work. So the question is whether these can really be used without a subscription, and if so, how? And will it cost me anything to hack it? Oh, and how exactly do I do it? Thanks for any help with this.