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Using DirecTivo over Vonage (VoIP) - a solution

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by RedGrey, Oct 2, 2003.

  1. Nov 18, 2003 #41 of 634
    thynk

    thynk New Member

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    Thanks for the response! I think the cable is ok - checked every pin several times both when I made it and again tonight. The problem was I thought I was being smart when I started playing around with the AT commands last night. I still don't have it all the way going, but have gotten to "negotiating..." a few times - in fact it's locked up there three times now. Looks like maybe it's time to look for a different modem - either a slower one so I don't have to worry about the speed issues, or a newer one that has documentation... somewhere.

    This one is driving me nuts - the AT commands for speed don't work, so it's probably set in a register someplace - and I can't google it out of the net. Wonder if the thrift store still has one (the same I was I laughing at last time we were there ;-)
     
  2. Nov 18, 2003 #42 of 634
    babino

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    Hello All! Thanks so far to everyone for the help to get DTIVO working over vonage. I'm getting closer, but have a stumbling block impeding my succession.

    I went to ratshack at bought the RJ45/DB25 converter (see link from quoted post), but am having a tough time deciding which cables in the converter are which. The converter comes with 8 wires attached inside to the RJ45 plug portion of the device which in turn you are supposed to plug into the corresponding holes in the serial plug. How do I know which wires are which? The wires are color coded, but there is no indication anywhere which number they are, i.e. Red #1, Yellow #2, etc... to number 8.

    They are ordered like this if you look into the plug with the RJ45 connector wires on top:

    X X X X.
    .X X X X

    .|||||||.

    Gray Yellow Red Orange
    Brown Green Black Blue

    Would it be:

    Gray=1
    Yellow=2
    Red=3
    Orange=4
    Brown=5
    Green=6
    Black=7
    Blue=8

    I believe I have a handle on the RJ45 to the Stereo plug, but the serial connection is giving me grief. Thanks for any help/advice that someone is willing to give!

    Regards,

    Babino


     
  3. Nov 19, 2003 #43 of 634
    mjh

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    If I understand how you're holding the connector, it should be:

    Gray=8
    Brown=7
    Yellow=6
    Green=5
    Red=4
    Black=3
    Orange=2
    Blue=1

    If, as you look into the serial connector case, the RJ45 pins are on top, and the blue wire is all the way to the right and the gray wire is all the way to the left, then the above should be correct. The only other possibility is:

    Gray=1
    Brown=2
    Yellow=3
    Green=4
    Red=5
    Black=6
    Orange=7
    Blue=8

    Try it both ways and see what works.
     
  4. Nov 19, 2003 #44 of 634
    babino

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    Thanks for the speedy reply! I'll have to try tomorrow when I can buy a new plug from the shack. I'll post my results.

    Once you put the pins in, they are virtually impossible to remove them since they lock into the holes; unless someone knows how to get them out. I've tried to pull them out and push from the outside, no luck.

     
  5. Nov 19, 2003 #45 of 634
    cactus46

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    Thanks to all who have created the path for DTiVos and Vonage calls. My approach was to set up my second-hand USR 33.6 Sportster FaxModem on my series 1 stand alone TiVo since my DirecTiVo service would be installed the next day.
    Using the serial cable supplied with the series 1 standalone and a DB9 to DB25 adapter to connect to the USR, setting the dip switches in the back and the appropriate 'AT' codes made the manual jumpers unnecessary. However, my Sportster did not like the 'AT&H0' nor the 'AT&I0' codes. But the rest of the commands and the switch setting in the back give a reliable connection. [For those with series 1 standalones, this modem approach is a good way to go and is not too difficult to implement for defective modems.] This worked like a champ on my series 1 even though the internal modem works fine.
    My DirecTV was installed the next day but my modem didn't work on the new HDVR2. So I took my HDVR2 to a friends house with a regular phone line and did the long, almost an hour, download, reset and a shorter download. Then taking the unit home and reconnecting the modem, forcing a daily call, The HDVR2 worked with the modem and has been working for several days now.
     
  6. Nov 19, 2003 #46 of 634
    Lenco

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    I have the DSR7000 as well.
    Which solution did you use? External modem or just the dialing prefix?

    BTW - What does the /17 ean after the model number?

    -Lenco-
     
  7. Nov 21, 2003 #47 of 634
    mjh

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    There is a specific tool that you can get that lets you unlock them so that they can be pulled out. But I've found that if you take a needle nose pliers and use it to gently grip the pin from the outside, you can (again gently) twist and push the pins and they'll release. It's a little crude but it works.
     
  8. Nov 21, 2003 #48 of 634
    bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

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    Is there anybody like 9th tee selling kits of these premade? I have no skills to make my own cables but might be willing to buy such a kit.
     
  9. Nov 22, 2003 #49 of 634
    cactus46

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    You can buy a serial cable from the TiVo Store: https://store.tivo.com/main.aspx on the page 2 of the accessories you can find a serial cable, and a DB9 to DB25 Adapter at http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog_name=CTLG&product_id=26-209 - DB25 male/DB9 female. Then if you use a US Robotics 28.8, or 33.6 external modem, you can use the appropriate 'AT' codes and switch setting to replace the hardwiring if you would prefer not to use a soldering iron.

    I can give you the dip switch settings and the 'AT' codes that I used with my 33.6 USR Sportster FaxModem and I modified no cables. My HDVR2 works great with Vonage.

    John
     
  10. Nov 28, 2003 #50 of 634
    gtrogue

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    I've tried everything to get my Hughes Series 1 DirecTivo to connect but I keep getting "couldn't connect" messages or sometimes (mostly) the thing hangs at "negotiating". I let it go once and the Tivo was at "negotiating" for hours after the ATA had hung up the connection. I had to pull the plug on the Tivo to recover. Anybody have any ideas? Is there a way to force the internal modem to an even slower speed?
     
  11. Nov 28, 2003 #51 of 634
    cactus46

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    gtrogue,

    Are you using the internal modem in your DirecTivo? If so, does your modem work on a normal phone line? If it is an external, can you tell us what brand/model modem you are using? Does it have DIP switches? What set up string did you use? Are you using the modified serial cable or the stock TiVo serial cable?

    What setup string are you using for the phone in the DirecTiVo? On the Vonage web page what setting are you using for the Bandwidth Saver found on the 'Features' page?

    We need a little more information to answer your question, imo.

    Good luck.

    John in Phoenix
     
  12. Nov 29, 2003 #52 of 634
    gtrogue

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    I use the highest quality bandwidth setting. I am using the internal modems of my GXEBOT and DSR6000 with the ,#019 dialing prefix. They both have no problem connecting via my POTS line.

    I think I'm going to install TurboNet or AirNet and not worry about the dialup. I don't order any PPV so the DirecTV part is no problem.
     
  13. Nov 29, 2003 #53 of 634
    cactus46

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  14. Nov 29, 2003 #54 of 634
    MD_TIVO

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    Seems like a lot of hoops to jump through in order to use Vonage. What are the advantages of Vonage versus the disadvanges including increased hardware costs and questionable reliability?

    I've looked into using Vonage, but so far I don't see the real advantage.
     
  15. Nov 30, 2003 #55 of 634
    gtrogue

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    MD_TIVO, A basic phone line in my area cost $33/month once taxes and fees are added. That fee doesn't include voicemail, caller id, or any other features, just the phone line. Vonage costs around $27/month total and includes 500 minutes of long distance, caller id, call waiting, voicemail, and much more.
     
  16. Nov 30, 2003 #56 of 634
    MD_TIVO

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    That makes sense. I pay Verizon around $37, which includes caller id, call waiting, and call forwarding. I would switch to the cheaper Vonage if I could easily wire up all the phones in my house, including the directivo.
     
  17. Nov 30, 2003 #57 of 634
    aristoBrat

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    We're super light landline users, so we just signed up for this plan. It beats the pants off of Cox's $45/month bundle.

    I'll deal with the DTiVo "not phoning home" daily nag message until DTV releases 4.0, which can "home home" over broadband -- although I'll have to take my DTiVos somewhere with a real phone line for them to get the update. :D
     
  18. Dec 1, 2003 #58 of 634
    mjh

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    That's certainly a reasonable strategy. I wanted to get my DTiVo working over vonage for a number of reasons:
    1. The nag screen was much more annoying than I anticipated it being. After the first month, it came up once weekly. Then about two weeks later, it started coming up once daily.
    2. I wanted to get the 3.1.1b upgrade to fix the sound problems - yeah I coulda taken it to a friends house, but I didn't know how long it would take to complete the download.
    3. I like that I can vote with my thumbs up/down on what I think is a quality show. I like that I can send my opinions to advertisers by watching interesting commercials and skipping boring ones. Believe it or not, I like that there's some amount of data about my viewing that's uploaded when I make the daily call.
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  19. Dec 2, 2003 #59 of 634
    BerrBrewer

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    Ok... I need a little help here getting my HDVR2 to connect.

    I've been through the forum and tried to connect my BestData 56k V.90 modem with a home-built cable adapter (1/8" stereo plug, cat5 cable, DB25/RJ45 with pins 2/3/6 wired, 25->9 adapter). Cable tests out fine and I set the modem using the strings AT&R1, AT&S0, AT&W0. Command strings to force the slow speed (&N10, &U6) don't work and neither did AT&D0&H0&I0&R1&W0 (I think H0 & I0 fail). Dial prefix ,#319.

    Problem is line never goes off hook during the call attempt and fails to negotiate. My question is do I *need* to do the hard-wired cross connects (6->20, 4->5) or can it work with modem settings only? Am I missing something or do I just need to go pick up an old 33k modem?
     
  20. Dec 10, 2003 #60 of 634
    BerrBrewer

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    Just a follow-up for the list.

    After adding the jumpers in the DB25 (6->20 & 4->5) everything worked fine! My download over Vonage lasted about 25 minutes and completed sucessfully. For me, the hardware solution worked better than trying to flash the software register settings into the modem. Thanks to all those who came before... the nag screens were getting old!
     

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