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Using DirecTivo over Vonage (VoIP) - a solution

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by RedGrey, Oct 2, 2003.

  1. mediaman100

    mediaman100 New Member

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    I've tried reading every thread, but my head is spinning now. Here is my situation:
    New Vonage customer, using Linksys router with phone jacks. Router is connected to the cable modem. I did some reverse wiring to get dial tone through out my house. My first Tivo unit that I recieved in Oct 2004 started acting up. I called it in and Directv sent out a Hughes to replace the Samsung. Both units are not HD. The samsung had worked on the vonage line but now the Hughes doesn't. What can I do to make this work. I tried the varous codes in these pages but with no luck. Thanks in advance.

    Newbie in trouble ;)
     
  2. weflyrc

    weflyrc New Member

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    I am sure that the readers of these post get tired of seeing some of the same questions asked, but for us newbies, they are new questions, and we think that we are different in that our situations must be unique, because our "stuff" don't work!! My "stuff" consist of a cable modem provided by our local Road Runner service through Time Warner. The Linksys adapter/router PT31P2 provided by Vonage, and I have a pair of older DSR6000 Tivo boxes that worked flawlessly via my old land line. I have tried using different prefixes to change the modem speeds, different area codes, and various other fixes that I've seen on these forums. I have yet to get a successful test call through Vonage. Is the Tivo to Serial via PPP the way that I should go, or what else should I do? Don't plan on getting rid of Tivo or Vonage, but hate the idea of loading up 2 Tivo boxes and taking them to someones house each month to get updates. Help this idiot if you can. Thanks.
     
  3. Kevin L

    Kevin L Active Member

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    I struggled getting all my TiVos to work with Vonage. It was very hit and miss (more miss than hit :)). I finally set up one with PPP over Serial last week and it works flawlessly. I just have to make or buy cables for the others.

    Until they turn on the USB ports and let us connect that way, I'd say the PPP route is the best way to go.
     
  4. bahopkins

    bahopkins New Member

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    I was having problems with my new HR10-250 being able to successfully complete the call. Test calls would sometimes work, sometimes not. I finally switched to the 212 area code and now my calls are going through. I read somewhere recently that DirecTv had some problems with dial-ins from the Houston area (where I'm located). I haven't gone back and tried resetting to a local dial-in number.

    I will say, it took numerous calls to receive the software upgrade to version "e", but since then, I've had no problems.

    Bryan
     
  5. weflyrc

    weflyrc New Member

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    I've tried the 212, the 877, my local 919 and several other area codes as well. Mine comes up "connection failed" when I put in the area codes and try to get it to pull up available numbers to connect with. The best that I have had yet is a busy indication. I did get it once with a local connect number to show that the dialing part completed, but it failed soon after that. I do still have my land line for the time being, so I can access the numbers for each area code if I connect it to find them, but if I try to do it strictly via my vonage line, it never works.
     
  6. weflyrc

    weflyrc New Member

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    Ok, here is something new. I tried prefixes like ,#219 and ,#214 along with my local dial in number without 1 and the area code and it dialed very quickly, then got to the connecting portion and I got the message "failed. Service not answering". Is this due to the fact that I don't have 1 and the area code added, or is it something else? Thanks.
     
  7. nsayer

    nsayer New Member

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    I have a HDVR2 that I am about to try the external modem hack with, but I'd like to explore an easier way....

    I've found out about ,#211. My hope is that by wiring up the DTiVo to a USB-to-serial adapter on my mac, I should be able to run


    pppd /dev/cu.usbserial0 115200 maxfail 0 persist proxyarp myipaddress:addressfortivo


    which should result in my mac more or less being a ppp server available at any time for the tivo.

    I'll report back with results.
     
  8. cactus46

    cactus46 New Member

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    Hi weflyrc,

    If you are trying Dial Prefixes of ,#219 etc, then you are obviously trying to get serial to PPP working? There are lots of threads on getting it working.

    If you send me your modem log via PM, perhaps I can give you a few suggestions.

    Good luck and keep us posted.

    John

     
  9. easyshot

    easyshot New Member

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    Well I am new to the forum but have diligently been following the thread. I have an HR10 which I and many other spent a grand on for a series tivo??? Which makes complete sense???

    Anyways since getting vonage and dumping my land line I had my first successful test call in a month of futzing with the blinkin' thing. Using a 212 area code, an external modem kit from weaknees, a 20 feet phone cord strung from my RT31P2 to the external modem (for fear the radoshack phone jack extender was killing me), using the ,#319 prefix, and. . . I even got a a daily call to work.

    Now just taking the experiment further, I hooked my radio shack gizmos back up and now it doesn't work.

    It boggles my mind that Directv offers a thousand dollar receiver using old technology. Not to mention they don't even foresee that tivo type people would probably lend themselves to a service like vonage and not make there service compatible.

    Well hopefully someone got something out of this post and at least I got to vent.

    EZ.
     
  10. GDN

    GDN New Member

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    FWIW - I've posted in this thread about the ease I've had with Vonage. Something happened on Jan 6 and both of my Tivo's quit dialing out. After reading - I've updated them both to have the 718 area code (I'm in Dallas - area code 972). I'm using NO dialing codes and I did not put the "1" in for long distance. I selected the Manhattan number from the list from the 718 numbers. Everything is perfect again - calls to download numbers were good and I've made 5 calls between the 2 machines in the last 2 days.

    I've got a Comcast Cable modem Moto 5100, Linksys WRT54G router and a Moto Vonage box behind the router. Setup is pretty simple - I guess I've just been lucky compared to all of the problems I see posted here. I will say that I put the latest Linksys firmware on and had Vonage flash the firmware on their Moto box when all of this started. All of that info and a drawing are posted up near the top of this thread. Good luck to all of you.
     
  11. nsayer

    nsayer New Member

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    This was pretty close to the final answer.

    The command I've used is

    pppd /dev/tty.usbserial0 115200 myip:tivoip proxyarp persist maxfail 0 local passive

    The 'local' option is required because the cable is a simple 3 wire one, so all of the modem control signals must be ignored.

    The 'passive' option tells pppd to just sit there and wait for the TiVo to initiate the connection rather than repeatedly send LCP startup packets.

    But in order for the mac to route the packets, you must also enable IP forwarding. Type

    sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding=1

    I still may actually go with an external modem as the final solution. If I take my laptop anywhere, I have to unhook the TiVo. I suppose that isn't a huge deal - I can always just plug the TiVo's USB adapter in, set up pppd and force the daily call once in a while.
     
  12. weflyrc

    weflyrc New Member

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    Ok. Cable came in today via 9thtee to work with Serial port and connect to my pc. Cost a whopping $7.95 plus shipping and got it the next day via UPS (thanks Kevin for the info). Connected it up like one of the old archive link from this site said, and it will now make test calls like nobody's business. PERFECT. However it will still not complete a daily call. It will get right up to the negotiating part and then give me a failed to negotiate message. What do I need to look at at this point? I have tried various speeds, but still no dice. I know I am close. Thanks to all that have helped so far. This cable is the way to go.


    Jim
     
  13. super dave

    super dave Upgrade Willy

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    Did you set an IP range and turn off your firewall?
     
  14. radarmile

    radarmile New Member

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    I have an iMac always on in my network. I also have 2 dtivo's (HDVR2). Is there a way to connect both to the router or a hub so they could call whenever they need to? I have read through most of the threads on this topic and no one seems to have addressed multiple tivos and ppp.
     
  15. nsayer

    nsayer New Member

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    If the two DTiVos are near the imac, then use two USB-serial adapters and run pppd twice.
     
  16. Tusk

    Tusk New Member

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    nsayer,

    Is this funtionality built in standard? Should I be able to use my serial to usb adaptor, plug it into the mac, open a terminal and type the two commands above without adding any 3rd-party software?

    Also, how do I determine myip and tivoip

    Thanks
     
  17. Psychoderelict

    Psychoderelict New Member

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    This post should explain how to do it on OS X 10.3.x. pppd is built in to OS X on a Mac. No software to install.
     
  18. Tusk

    Tusk New Member

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    Thanks, that's just what I needed. I am switching to Vonage, and I had only seen info relating to Windoze machines.

    Will try it this weekend.
     
  19. shesth1

    shesth1 Terri

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  20. yellogt

    yellogt New Member

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    The Vonage support had a clever idea... Since you can't dial out to get a list of numbers, put the new number you want to dial in the dial prefix. It'll only accept the first 10 numbers you dial.

    So that'll mean that people should post the whole # that they have success, as opposed to the "First 718 number."

    I've had success in the past with 718-987-5137. Vonage told me to put in the dial prefix 1-212-920-3005. Another New York number that they have a higher rate of success with.

    You could also put in *99,1-212-920-3005 The *99 will put it in the fax mode, which is the highest quality, despite your settings.

    BTW - I've been 0 for 1,000 since mid-January.

    I spent 75 minutes on the phone with Vonage. He set packetization from 10, to 20, to 30. It seems like 30 is the best for me. He also set a fax codes switch on the line properties. Whatever that means.

    He also said every customer is unique. Packetization of 10 might work for someone, while 30 might work for another.

    DSL filters: I disconnected mine (In the back of the TiVo, and my connection rate sucks now. Put it back in, and I connect, but still fail in Negotiation.

    I'm going to keep trying different numbers of what people post until I get something to go through.

    Other numbers I know of are: 1-732-817-9100, 1-732-798-0012 (This one worked in the past)

    Good luck to all.
     

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