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Using DirecTivo over Vonage (VoIP) - a solution

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by RedGrey, Oct 2, 2003.

  1. Nov 6, 2003 #21 of 634
    Consigliere

    Consigliere New Member

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    Please elaborate as to how to go about programing the modem (and reset it when I mess things up) with the above codes. If I wanted to program the modem to work at 9600 bps what codes would I use (the theory being slow and sure is better than fast and undependable)? Also, is there a table of these codes? Many thanks!
     
  2. Nov 7, 2003 #22 of 634
    directivoetherne

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    Is there a way to send these modem commands if you are using Windows XP?
     
  3. Nov 7, 2003 #23 of 634
    dschultznet

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    To program your modem, go to Programs, Accessories, Communications, Hyperterminal
    Dan:eek:
     
  4. Nov 8, 2003 #24 of 634
    tivobernd

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    Cortlandt...
    I am having the same problem you do... I think my record was 25 minutes... Reading about the 3.1.0b problems here it might not be a bad thing that the download fails.... But...

    I don't thin the have written that thing smart enough to download bit's and pieces... What is even more annoying is that they would very well have the possibility since Version 3 of the Software to shoot the update down via the SAT instead of using the stoneage phoneline download...

    Since I don't have Series 2 I am currently just trying with the build in modem.
    Questions:
    Does the external modem work on the Series 1 (Hughes) as well?
    Did anyone suceed downloading the long .b update through the external modem on Vonage?
    Can I do the download with no satellite if I really need to? e.g. take the TiVo to a friends house and hook it up to the phonline there? - Not that I am looking forward to doing that but once the nag screens start...
     
  5. Nov 9, 2003 #25 of 634
    milehighmg

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    I just tried your solution and got everything to work. Great Post! By the way for any one interested this solution works with the Phillips DSR7000.
     
  6. Nov 9, 2003 #26 of 634
    mjh

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    Yes. I eventually got it to download. I had to slow it down to 19.2k and it took 4 hours, but it worked.
    I haven't had to do this, but I have read about others who have said that this works.
     
  7. Nov 9, 2003 #27 of 634
    tivobernd

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    Cortlandt...
    I just got a 14.4 USR modem from e-bay - I figured 14.4 is probably better than 28.8 - then I don't have to slow it down more...
    I hope the ,#319 also works with Series 1 Tivo's...
    I'm off to making the cable and the modem should be here towards then end of the week.
    I'll report back if/when I get it working...

    Thanks everyone here for the great info and advice...
     
  8. Nov 10, 2003 #28 of 634
    milehighmg

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    O.K. As I mentioned before the solution outlined in the origial posting worked for me like a charm, I have not had a dropped call yet. I have run into a small problem however and I was wondering if anybody has an answer to this one. Here it is: My modem auto picks up incoming calls! Whenever a call comes in the modem answers and starts issuing the handshake hiss. Is there a way to disable it? I have a DSR7000 hooked up to a US Robotics 14,4. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
     
  9. Nov 12, 2003 #29 of 634
    tivobernd

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    Cortlandt...
    Quick question:
    You are cross connecting 6 with 20 in the description but it's 6 and 19 in the picture... Which is right?
    Thanks
    Bernd
     
  10. Nov 12, 2003 #30 of 634
    tivobernd

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    Cortlandt...
    I am not 100% if the crossovers on my cable are correct but the USR modem I got today has DIP switches to simulate DTR and it worked with that!!!

    Both my TiVo's now have 3.1.0b!!!

    Here's the call logs:
    11/12/03 7:11 PM 1xxxxxxxxxxx 12122717103 101 min
    11/12/03 4:55 PM 1xxxxxxxxxxx 12122717103 93 min

    Didn't take too long either...

    Thank you so much for this great Idea with the external modem!!! Fantastic...
     
  11. Nov 12, 2003 #31 of 634
    mjh

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    Well, I don't know about this specific US Robotics, but on my USR 28.8, there's a set of dip switches on it. If I turn ON dip switch 5, it disables Auto Answer. If you don't have dip switches, connect it to your computer via a normal straight serial cable then do:

    ATS0=0
    AT&W

    The first one will tell it to answer in 0 rings (i.e. disable auto answer). The second one will write this configuration to NVRAM so that it always boots with this configuration.
     
  12. Nov 13, 2003 #32 of 634
    mjh

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    In the picture that I see, it's crossing 6 with 20. Which is what I did.

    By doing this, you're basically having the modem override hardware flow control because it's always telling itself that it's ready to send data and it's always telling itself that it's ready to receive data.
     
  13. Nov 13, 2003 #33 of 634
    mjh

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    Well, this is what I'm using. It's for a USR 33.6 and it works on my USR 28.8. But almost every modem manufacturer has slightly different command strings. I'd try and find a manual online for the make/model number of the modem that you have.

    Anyway here's the link for the manual that I'm using for my modem.
     
  14. Nov 15, 2003 #34 of 634
    thynk

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    Red and all who have followed up - THANKS for the info. I just made the cable, but skipped the RJ45 to DB25 since all we had laying around at work were some DB25 shells and the only "extra" cable I had was some cat3. My cable is a bit longer (~10') since I want everything hidden behind the entertainment center (like the rest of the cables, hubs, lost kittens, small children, etc).

    The tests I ran with the external modem connected me about 50% of the time to an ISP, at rates from 14.4-19.2 This struck me as a little odd since the 33.6 PCMCIA modem connected consistantly at 28.8 to 31.3 Maybe I need to blow some more dust off the external modem, or find the AT commands to set it to 14.4 and not worry about it.

    The installer is coming on Monday - it will be interesting to see what his/her/it's reaction is. Things haven't gone well with them on the phone so far, since they tried to get me to buy a multiswitch, after DTv and Expert Sat. both told me that I didn't need one. (3lnb dish, 3 inputs needed) They also have issues with the fact that I only have one phone jack in the house for Vonage. Saying that they couldn't hook it up unless there was a jack in both rooms the recievers were going into.

    Has anyone tried plugging the Vonage output into an existing phone jack and trying a phone on a different extention?
    Hard as I try, I can't think of why this wouldn't work, the electrons don't know it's hooked up in reverse. If this works (I'm gonna try when I get home from work tommorow) - I'll post a follow up here and on the Vonage board.

    Hopefully this will go as smoothly as the other installs I've had go. "Go outside and run the cables, I'll hook everything up in here while you work on that". Most of the install techs think this is cool, but every so often I run across one that has to assume that all customers don't know how to program a remote, or even know what end of the soldering iron gets hot.

    Wish me luck. This will be my first TiVo or Direct TV experience. I'm really glad that I found this thread and did as much reasearch as I did before ordering anything.
     
  15. Nov 16, 2003 #35 of 634
    tivobernd

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    Cortlandt...
    This will work - but make absolutely sure that your in house wiring is physically disconnected from your old POTS (Phone line from the Phone Company) otherwise there is a good chance that you will fry your ATA...
     
  16. Nov 16, 2003 #36 of 634
    thynk

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    Thanks for the heads up, since there is no signal coming from the POTS I was going to leave it hooked up for the test. I'll be sure to bring my wire cutters home with me, or maybe they were nice and left a junction box unlocked and I can just unhook me from the system.
     
  17. Nov 16, 2003 #37 of 634
    wilsonc

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    You should have access to your portion of the junction box, the part will read Customer Access Panel. It is in there, you can disconnect the telco wiring from your home wiring.
     
  18. Nov 17, 2003 #38 of 634
    BerrBrewer

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    I wouldn't trust disconnecting your house from the customer panel outside. It will disconnect you, but you're the only one that knows WHY it's not connected.

    You're better off disconnecting the first box inside the house "loop" and capping the wires. Then you can light up the whole house with one connection to your ATA device. My house is home-run to a closet, so it was easy to disconnect from the street but I was paranoid some technician would reconnect me and smoke the ATA.

    BTW, loving Vonage and am about to try the external modem trick described here. My modem is a 9 pin though so it's back to RS... Thanks for thread!
     
  19. Nov 17, 2003 #39 of 634
    thynk

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    WELL - that didn't work. After running several tests on the external modem via the laptop and connected about 90% of the time after lowering the speed down to 19k - the TiVo won't even talk to the modem. I see some activity on several of the front panel lights, then the rx/tx flash together quickly twice - then DirectTivo claims the modem isn't responding.

    I've tried reloading the profile that I saved last night, power cycling the modem and finally set everything back to factory defaults. I'll pull out the custom cable and double check it, but every pin was checked before I brought it home. I have noticed that the responce to the AT commands are not "OK" but rather a "0" - I wonder if the TiVo is looking for that?

    Suggestions, clues, hints, strong cup of coffee?
     
  20. Nov 18, 2003 #40 of 634
    mjh

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    I had similar problems. I made my 1/8 inch to DB25 cable using an old pair of headphones. And I could not get any continuity through the headphones. So I went to ratshack and bought this. I then used a piece of Cat5 crimped with an RJ45 connector on one end and nothing on the other. I wired the open end of the Cat5 to the 1/8" jack and then plugged the RJ45 into an RJ45->DB25 converter (just like this one except male).

    I could not get any continuity using the jack from the old pair of headphones, hence the TiVo couldn't talk to the modem. Once I used cable that I knew had continuity and a 1/8" connector that I knew had continuity everything worked much better.
     

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