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Upgrading Series 3 HDD to 2Tb

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by Stinkweed8, Feb 23, 2014.

  1. Stinkweed8

    Stinkweed8 New Member

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    So I have done this before, but each time it feels like I have no idea what I am doing. My 1Tb hdd went bad (S03 error that I couldnt kickstart 57) so I picked up a 2Tb WD20EURS.

    I am going to try to copy over the shows from the old drive using WINMFS and hooking up both drives. Is there anything I need to remember to do other than run MFS copy? and hope the shows transfer?

    Going from 1Tb to 2Tb do I need to expand the space or do any fancy WDDIDDLE or anything. All of the technical jargon gets me a bit nervous since I really have no concept of all of the details of the tech. If the copy fails I have the original HDD that the machine came with that I can copy onto the new drive...again though...do I need to do anything fancy or just MFSCOPY...what about supersize and all the other options in the software.

    Any help would be appreciated...again, this is not my first time...I have probably honestly done this 10 times...I have an awful memory for it since I only go through this once every few years for myself or helping out a friend.

    Thanks

    And Cheers to all the great helpers on the forums.
     
  2. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Error S03 means it failed in processing the guide data from the last connection. The drive is fine.
     
  3. Stinkweed8

    Stinkweed8 New Member

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    I am aware of the S03 error being corrupted data. The problem was, I couldn't get the guide data loaded. Kickstart 57 was the alleged fix and it didn't allow data to load. I probably tried to get the data to load 20 times and it would error every time. Then, probably stupidly, I did a "rerun guided setup" and then every time it would fail i would reboot try -57 fail and reboot back to the guided setup and I couldn't get out of it.

    How do you suggest I fix the issue with the s03? I already bought the 2Tb drive so there in lies the reason for the post...originally...is there anything special that I need to know to go from 1Tb to 2Tb drive...other than run Winmfs and run mfscopy with both drives connected ?
     
  4. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    "Clear program Information & ToDo List"

    To upgrade to 2tb, you just need to backup the 1tb (or original) and restore to the 2tb, MFSAdd, Supersize. Tivo software v11.0k and above will handle 2 tb with no problem. Its best to use a GP-AV drive, not just a GP.

    However, if you copy this drive to another, the same problem (error s03) will appear until its cleared.
     
  5. Stinkweed8

    Stinkweed8 New Member

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    Thanks for the reply. I can't get to "clear program info& to do list" again because I am stuck in a request to "rerun guided setup" and everytime I reboot it tries to run guided setup and crashes downloading data. I never get back to the home menus. I did run "clear program..." prior to rerunning guided setup....it said it was gonna take 1 hour...it took like 3 and all program data did not seem like it was cleared..idk

    If this is the case, when I do the copy...I will still be in the same boat.

    Does anybody have a way to get out of this "guided setup" issue saving the data without wiping the drive?
     
  6. Mar 1, 2014 #6 of 54
    Stinkweed8

    Stinkweed8 New Member

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    So I did a full copy (not truncated) to the 2Tb drive, but in the system information it still shows as the smaller 160Gb original drive (21HD hours).

    When doing a full disk to disk copy with WINMFS how do I get the drive expanded. I know that when I do a restore from a .tbk file it asks me to expand the drive at the end...this copy function did not. When I ran the MFS supersize command the program crashes...

    Any ideas?
     
  7. Mar 1, 2014 #7 of 54
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Do MFSAdd then Supersize.
     
  8. Mar 2, 2014 #8 of 54
    Stinkweed8

    Stinkweed8 New Member

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    Worked perfectly. THanks
     
  9. Apr 5, 2014 #9 of 54
    jlb

    jlb NCC-1701-D

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    I've got a Hitachi 1tb drive in my TiVoHD. I've had some partial recordings lately. It's possible it might be limited to just CBS. I've had this drive running flawlessly for few years actually. But I think I may try and pick up a 20EURS to have in case the hitachi really looks like it is going.

    I'm on 11.0m or whatever, so winmfs should be fine. Still not sure if I will have to worry about the Intellipark crap or not. Can someone chime in again in that for me? Thanks.
     
  10. unitron

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    You may have to get a WD20EURX instead of an EURS to get one directly from a reputable source instead of one of their "partners" (who are likely to sell you one that came out of an external WD enclosure, which means any real warranty on it from WD is void).

    Anyway, when you hook it to a PC to run WD's own long test on it before putting it into service, if you can hook it straight to the motherboard (but not as the first drive on a GigaByte brand board) you can also quickly run

    wdidle3.exe

    to be sure it doesn't need Intellipark disabled, but most likely it'll have come from the factory with it turned off.

    If it was a regular WD Caviar Green instead of the AV models, that might not be so.

    When you use WinMFS to copy the 1TB to the 2TB, tell it no when it says you have more room and do you want to expand.

    Then select the 2TB, click on

    mfsinfo

    and make sure everything looks okay, including a big Apple Free partition on the end.

    Then click on

    mfsadd

    to do the expansion as it's own separate step.

    The WD programs are on the Ultimate Boot CD, along with all sorts of other useful stuff.
     
  11. jlb

    jlb NCC-1701-D

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    What about ordering from newegg?
     
  12. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    As long as it specifically says it's newegg that's selling it. Watch out for the word "marketplace".
     
  13. jlb

    jlb NCC-1701-D

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    Ok....got it...

    So a follow-up question if anyone knows.....

    With the Newegg app, do they only show newegg only? Doesn't specifically say anything about sellers....
     
  14. unitron

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    If by app you mean accessing their website via anything other than a browser on a PC or Mac, that's outside of my experience.


    Right now if you look at the page for the WD20EURS

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136783

    or the EURX

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236603

    if you look to the right you'll see


    Sold and Shipped by:
    Newegg


    so as long as it says that, you're okay.
     
  15. jlb

    jlb NCC-1701-D

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    Cool, thanks!

    I may hold off now. I think it just might be a bad sector or two.....
     
  16. kbs

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    Hi Unitron! Great Info.
    Just triple checking: If I have a 1.5WD Green that I currently have as an expanded drive in my OLED S3, and I'm now on software v11m, then I can use this procedure to move my shows to a new larger 2.0tb WD20EURX:

    -WinMFS copy the 1.5WD to a 2.0tb WD20EURX
    (This copies the contents of my 1tb partition15 to a larger partition on the EURX?)

    -WinMFS mfsadd to expand
    (This tells the tivo to find and use that new larger partition, which is already partially filled from the mfscopy?)

    ...and if supersize is on, I should now have a 318HD hour system with all my old shows still on it.

    Is that right? Or am I required to start with a truncated backup restore and an empty tivo in order to expand the space?

    Here's my current MFSinfo partition map:
    Partition Maps
    #: type name length base ( size )
    1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
    2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@485366126 ( 512.0 )
    3 Image Kernel 1 8192@485366127 ( 4.0M)
    4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@485374319 ( 256.0M)
    5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@485898607 ( 512.0 )
    6 Image Kernel 2 8192@485898608 ( 4.0M)
    7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@485906800 ( 256.0M)
    8 Swap Linux swap 262144@486431088 ( 128.0M)
    9 Ext2 /var 524288@486693232 ( 256.0M)
    10 MFS MFS application region 589824@487217520 ( 288.0M)
    11 MFS MFS media region 216747657@268618469 ( 103.4G)
    12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@487807344 ( 288.0M)
    13 MFS MFS media region 2 268618405@64 ( 128.1G)
    14 MFS MFS App by Winmfs 2048@488397168 ( 1.0M)
    15 MFS MFS Media by Winmfs 2147471360@488399216 (1024.0G)

    Total SA SD Hours: 1404 Total DTV SD Hours: 1226 0 % Free
    Software: 11.0m-01-2-648 Tivo Model: TCD648250B

    Of course, I'll also follow the other excellent advice on here to run a full WD test on the drive via UBCD and checking the wdidle.

    Thanks!
     
  17. unitron

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    WinMFS will copy everything (shows, settings, TiVo's operating system, etc.) on that 1.5TB drive to the 2TB drive.

    It will take a while, and it will appear to have frozen up, progress indicator-wise. Just leave it alone and eventually it'll finish.

    After it does, turn down the offer to expand ('cause sometimes it does but sometimes it only pretends to), go back to File, Select Drive (the 1.5 was previously the selected drive), and select the 2TB.

    If all went well with the copy procedure, then clicking on

    mfsinfo

    should show that same partition map with a 16th partition added on the end, an Apple Free partition (which is the weird way the Apple Partition Map accounts for unpartitioned space), roughly 0.5TB in size.

    If all looks well, click on mfsadd, and WinMFS will rewrite whatever is necessary to incorporate that 16th partition into the 15th partition, making it about a half a TB larger.

    When you go to do the copy, it should offer you the option of changing the swap partition size. Lots of people have left it the same size as it was on the original 250GB drive and gotten along just fine.

    (but I prefer to follow the old Series 1 rule of thumb of 1MB of swap for every 2GB of hard drive--I have absolutely no proof whatsoever that it does any good, but I figure on a 2TB drive that's only 15 minutes of best quality analog cable, so I call it cheap insurance)

    It may or may not also offer you an option on whether to use the original or the "optimized" partition layout. If it does, you want the optimized layout, but watch out for the way the offer is worded so you don't get tricked.

    If it doesn't offer the option, then it'll just do it the way it is now, which is the optimized layout that it originally had on the original 250GB drive.

    You can do the Supersizing before or after the expansion via

    mfsadd

    or do it a year from now, although if you already did it when you copied the 250 to the 1.5, that setting gets copied over as well.
     
  18. kbs

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    Excellent, thanks! I'll give that a try when my EURX arrives.

    Also, when I had some slight recurring pixelation and checked the HDD, it passed all the UBCD/WD tests I ran on it, but that made me take a closer look at the power supply. Cap 702 was bulging, so I just replaced it and apparently haven't broken my Tivo. Hopefully the pixelation will now be fixed!
     
  19. unitron

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    You really should have replaced all of them (except the big 200V one and the little bitty ones) while you had it apart, since the caps that go bad don't always show visible symptoms and it's probably just a matter of time 'til another one goes bad if it hasn't already started doing so.

    Here's a list of the usual suspects on a 648 supply, courtesy of HerronScott

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=9131293#post9131293
     
  20. jlb

    jlb NCC-1701-D

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    We've had a few more partial recordings and stutters. Enough that it bothered my wife. So I just ordered a 20Eurs from newegg.

    Let me ask this....has anyone made a "definitive" step by step guide from all the info presented in the recent posts? I'd love to have exactly what I need to do in one easy place to print out before going thru the backup and upgrade process.

    I have a 1TB hitachi drive and I'd like to run a backup on that first, before doing the copy. I have a good deal of recordings and I would like to retain those for the new drive, as well as all settings, etc.....

    Oh I should add I have 1 thermaltake dock and would need to, I assume, create the backup from my 1tb and then use that to go to the 2TB?

    Any guidance/help (Including getting and using wdidle3) specific to this would be greatly appreciated!
     

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