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Unable to delete paused shows

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by lgnad, Mar 28, 2013.

  1. lgnad

    lgnad Pantless Mofo

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    Got my mini like 3 days after it came out... Had a little struggle with the setup (came on here and learned I had to have the xl4 connect, etc. and got it rolling again) and outside of one little quirk, I'm liking it... Even the PQ seems superior to the comcast box it replaced.

    A few times I've been watching shows on the xl4 and paused and decided to finish watching in the bedroom on the mini. Once finished, it is unable to delete the show. It usually just sits there with the x next to it, and eventually just gives up. I've tried waiting a min or two and it didn't help

    When I return to the living room the next day, I can delete it normally.

    I haven't seen this behavior when I watch a show from the beginning on the mini. Anyone else experiencing this?
     
  2. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    If you pause the show on the Mini the Mini stays connected to that show for 90 minutes, if you just stop the show on the Mini (say by going to Live TV) you can pick it up on any TiVo inc the Mini itself, you can also then delete it at will.
     
  3. lgnad

    lgnad Pantless Mofo

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    this only happens with shows that are started on the xl4, and then paused. The mini then cannot delete the show after picking up where I left off and finishing the show. It tries, and eventually the x just disappears.

    Ones started and finished on the mini are delete-able at will.

    So, I'm wondering if this is the behavior that everyone sees?
    It's like the xl4 has the show locked down because its paused.

    Ty!
     
  4. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    No I haven't seen it and have no trouble deleting via the Mini. But instead of pausing on the XL4 I usually exit out with TiVo button. The pause point is still preserved that way when you resume play with the Mini. So try that instead of pausing on the XL4 next time.
     
  5. wendlan

    wendlan New Member

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    This week, I saw the exact behavior you described. I started Survivor in the living room, paused it, finished it on the Mini in the bedroom, and wasn't able to delete it from Mini when the show was over. I even rebooted the Mini - same result, and was only able to delete it from the XL4 in the living room.
     
  6. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    After pausing on the XL4, what did you then do on the XL4 before going to watch it on the Mini?
     
  7. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    I think they are just leaving it paused on the XL4 which is what is causing the problem.
     
  8. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    If that is the case, then IMHO the TiVo is behaving properly.
     
  9. wendlan

    wendlan New Member

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    Yes, in my case - I paused it on the XL4, turned off the TV, and left the room. That's a good point -- I have to try exiting back to the Tivo home screen on the XL4 before going to the Mini.
     
  10. Arcady

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    Wouldn't the main TiVo think the show is still in use if it is just paused on the screen?
     
  11. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Yes, which is why it doesn't (and shouldn't) delete it. I still get instances when "stop & delete" option doesn't work properly though that is not related to pause, so it's still not 100%.
     
  12. jfh3

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    What is described is normal behavior and will be the same with any remote TiVo, Mini or DVR. If a show is paused in the host, it cannot be deleted from the remote.
     
  13. lgnad

    lgnad Pantless Mofo

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    I haven't done much MRS since I always have had enough tuners/watched on the big XL4... so I just tried this with MRS from a 2 tuner premier streaming to the XL4 and the behavior is identical to what I experienced on the Mini, you are 100% correct. The problem is the user experience:

    Source program is recently paused on the host dvr, as discussed. The "remote" unit tries to delete the show, it marks it with an X and the highlight jumps down to the next item. Sometimes you get the busy "spinning bullets" for a few moments several seconds after hitting the clear button, sometimes not. Then it just sits there with the x just chillin there... Well, you can make the x disappear by backing out to Tivo central and returning, or selecting another show and returning.

    If it isn't supposed to be able to delete the show, then shouldn't warning/rejection message should be shown, or if possible a warning/choice window confirming that you really want to delete it, to override the pause "lock"? (Like when you try to delete a show that is currently recording)

    Sounds like if Mini use grows beyond tech-savy people this could generate a goodly amount of support calls/user frustration, or at the very least its not a very "slick" handling of the situation. Pausing on one TV, finishing the view on another and then killing the show off is something a lot of folks would expect to be able to do in a "whole home solution" from time to time, I'd think... since this is exactly what I've been doing most nights since getting the Mini! :(

    Thanks for your replies, folks!
     
  14. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    If you don't pause it then there are no issues. You can just hit live Tv instead of pausing. And when you go to another TiVo or Mini and play that recording it will start where you left off. And you will also be ale to delete it.

    Fo rme, the only time I will pause a program is when I'm still going to be watching from the same TiVo. Once I'm finished on that TiVo it goes back to live TV or a menu where the program is not playing. When I go to another room it will resume where I left off. There is no need to pause it.
     
  15. jmpage2

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    I don't see exactly what you are complaining about. If you left the show paused on the main TiVo then TiVo has to assume someone might still want to resume watching the show there. You are basically asking TiVo to make the behavior so that a Mini can override the rights of other TiVos in the household.

    Or.... you could just learn to pause, then hit the left arrow key (or TiVo key) then turn your TV off in the main room, then your problem is solved.
     
  16. lgnad

    lgnad Pantless Mofo

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    Pause, hit left arrow and the show is still locked down by the pause-lock. You are describing exactly what I was doing when having the problem.

    Now that I fully understand the behavior of streaming today on Tivo's (including the correct work-around... thanks Aaronwt!), I'm observing/sharing that non-technical people who decide to switch rooms are going to be frustrated, since the natural thing is going to be to push the large, yellow pause button and then having it display the x like it is deleting the show and just give up without any notification is extremely non-elegant.

    Sorry if observing that something that I needed to fiddle around with a bit to fully understand and might be even more confusing to completely non-tech savvy people who expect things to just work, comes off as "complaining".
     
  17. jfh3

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    I agree with the point about the UI experience. I can certainly see how it could be confusing to casual users. There are many reasons I pause a show on the host, so the left arrow out isn't always desired/practical.

    It annoys me I can't delete a paused program remotely. I appreciate the fact it's locked, but there should be a way around that from the remote box. But this feature wouldn't be on my current top 10 features wanted list.
     
  18. aaronwt

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    Don't hit pause. There is no reason to hit pause on a TiVo when you are finished watching. Just hit live TV to end watching the recording and when you come back to watch it on that TiVo, or from another TiVo or Mini, it will start where you left off before, when you hit Live TV.

    When you hit pause while watching a recording, it will stay that way for days, weeks etc. until you come back to that machine and unpause it. So as far as the TiVo knows you are still watching it from that box. It is paused with a static screen. So you can't delete it from another location since it is still being watched on the box where it is paused.
     
  19. jfh3

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    I know all that. But I'd rather hit pause, primarily because I don't want to see what's on live TV, especially during baseball season. :)
     
  20. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Turn off the TV first, then hit the Live TV button and you won't be able to see the score.
     

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