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TWC Hawaii moving all HD to SDV

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by HiKent, Aug 27, 2007.

  1. Aug 5, 2008 #201 of 436
    HawaiiTivoLover

    HawaiiTivoLover New Member

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    great to have some hope we'll be using our S3's to watch HD again someday. any chance of posting a copy of that letter? thanks.
     
  2. Aug 6, 2008 #202 of 436
    s1_junkie

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    Attached the 3 pages from OTW, only change is I have redacted my personal info.
     

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  3. Aug 7, 2008 #203 of 436
    Icarus

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    Upcountry...
    I got the letter about the cutover to SDV on Maui. Effective date is Sept 2. (I guess maybe that's the Kahului/Hana lineup, since there's now a separate lineup listed for Lahaina/Molokai/Lanai. Not sure about the rest of the county. I live upcountry in Makawao.)

    The letter at least mentioned the tuning resolver (they hope to have it available at the end of the year and they currently think there will be no extra charge for them.)

    I'll see if I can post the letter somewhere when I get back home. The channel lineup isn't consistent with the letter. The channel list may have been truncated. (At least that's what I suspect based on everybody elses experience and the text in the rest of the letter.)

    Did anybody notice all the other HD channels added for the olympics? It's already the 8th here where I am, and I left several olympics HD wishlists set up for while I'm away. I hope they record properly on those lower numbered HD olympics channels.

    -David
     
  4. Aug 8, 2008 #204 of 436
    Icarus

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    I should have read your post first.

    Yes, that's the same letter I got, only I don't have SDV yet on Maui, like you do on the Big Island. I noticed the same thing about the channel list.

    It's odd they sent it to you too.

    -David
     
  5. HawaiiTivoLover

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    thank you very much for posting those letters. should be some helpful ammo when OTWC Oahu tries to charge an arm and leg for the 2 Cable-Cards and tuning adapter when it comes out.
    Has anyone on Oahu received any similar correspondence?
     
  6. Goldwing2001

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    Kent,
    I can't receive channel 1605 or any of the other NBC olympic channels.
     
  7. Sep 8, 2008 #207 of 436
    s1_junkie

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    OTW busted (sort of):

    "I. INTRODUCTION
    1. In this Notice of Apparent Liability for Forfeiture (“NAL”), we find that Oceanic Time Warner Cable (“Oceanic”), a subsidiary of Time Warner Cable, Inc. (collectively, “TWC”) apparently willfully violated Section 76.1603(c) of the Commission's Rules (“Rules”).1 Specifically, Oceanic failed to provide the requisite thirty (30) day advanced written notice to the Hawaii Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, Cable Television Division, which serves as the local franchise authority (“LFA”) for the State of Hawaii, before implementing a service change caused by the migration of certain channels to its Switched Digital Video (“SDV”) platform on September 24, 2007. We conclude, pursuant to Section 503(b) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended (“Act”),2 that Oceanic is apparently liable for a forfeiture in the amount of seven thousand five hundred dollars ($7,500)."

    Read the full document here: http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2008/db0822/DA-08-1960A1.pdf

    Obviously $7500 is trivial, but I assume this is a 'black mark' and OTW will presumably not want to collect these. Interesting to me is that OTW is not busted for changing service the CCard users, but for not telling the State regulator in advance of the changes. Also clause 13 talkes about possible fines for continuing violation.

    Perhaps OTW will be nice to us now? I did get a phone message asking if I got the letter (see previous post), and I notice that the Encore channels that were due to go dark on Labor Day are still there. One can always hope.
     
  8. Icarus

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    Got a new letter today, since the September date came and went.

    The new date here for me is Oct 21. The letter is similar to the previous one, except the channel list is complete this time.

    -David
     
  9. s1_junkie

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    Yes, I got that letter too.

    Somehow I am reminded of the movie Total Recall, the head bad guy at the Mars colony tries to changes the peoples behavior by turning off their air. Come the revolution.....
     
  10. HawaiiTivoLover

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    I'm an Oahu OTW customer that has never received any correspondance from them about SDV.
    Would you guys mind posting the letter.
    Thanks
     
  11. s1_junkie

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    here....
     

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  12. Oct 1, 2008 #212 of 436
    docnaks

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    I recently purchased a new home in Honolulu and I'm getting ready to call Oceanic to set up new cable service. I already have an S3 and S2DT. Up until now, I have only used the S3 without CCs (long story). I am wondering if I should even set up CC service since the SDV tuning adapter is in limbo (with availability possibly at the end of this year? it's already October). Most of the TV I watch and record is network TV (FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC). My questions:
    1) In Hawaii, can we receive clear QAM signals through Oceanic?
    2) If we can, I was thinking of this set up (I will have 2 HD capable TVs)
    -TV 1 (Pioneer Elite): w/ S3 (HD through clear QAM, no cable cards), Oceanic HD box (w/ no DVR)
    -TV 2 (LCD): w/ S2DT, Oceanic HD box (w/ no DVR)
    That way, I can watch, but not record, the SDV channels, and record the HD channels that I do watch.

    Are there any other suggestions? Or should I get the CCs and hope that the tuning adapter comes out?
     
  13. Oct 1, 2008 #213 of 436
    Icarus

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    The HD versions of the network channels will not be SDV. Also HBOHD and SHOHD will not be SDV. I have no idea if we're supposed to be getting MAXHD or not, because it doesn't come in on my CC-enabled S3. It's the rest of the HD cable network channels that are going SDV. (ESPNHD, History HD, HDNET, TBSHD, etc).

    I have no idea about your QAM questions, but it seems to me that the CCs would work for you based on what you said, and eventually we'll get the tuning adapters for the rest of the lineup that's going to SDV.

    Will they still "sell" you the CCs? There were some earlier reports about people not being able to get them.

    ---------------

    Meanwhile, I've been converting my HD-based season passes to wishlists, so I can just remove the HD category from the wishlist when they turn on SDV, and tivo will switch to the lower numbered channel to record the program.

    -David
     
  14. Oct 2, 2008 #214 of 436
    clark_kent

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    The networks you listed are "in-the-clear" and you can record them in HD on the S3 w/out CC's. But, you will need to set up "manual" recordings since there will be no guide data from TiVo. Setting up manual recordings is no big deal, but it gets worst. "Manual" is not like "season pass" so "manual" will not follow any change to scheduling, and when you go to look for a manually recoded program, the "title" of the program will not be listed. ALL manual recordings are ALL titled "manual" so you need to keep a paper list of manual recordings as to date/time/channel/program name to find and play a manual recorded program. It would be nice if TiVo allowed for manual QAM mapping and for you to get guide data based on that, but it does not work like that.

    You probably should try getting CC's, since "manual" QAM recording is a pain, however, Oceanic is probably the most aggressive ANTI-CC cable operator on the planet, and they are not fond of TiVo either.
     
  15. Oct 2, 2008 #215 of 436
    Loki

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    I'm in a similar situation, just moved into Honolulu a couple months ago. Have you tried plugging in a set top UHF antenna yet? I get all the majors in hi-def with solid signal in Pacific Heights. It's worked out so well I'm debating if I even want to go with the cc and tuning resolver once its available. Not paying a monthly bill for TV has been refreshing since I moved.
     
  16. Oct 2, 2008 #216 of 436
    mauigirl

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    I use the cablecards in my series 3 but DON'T PAY for the HD programming. I get the four networks in HD, plus PBS and TNT for free and most of what I Tivo is on the nets (aside from Eureka and Mad Men).

    They continue to call and try to explain to me why I should turn in my cablecards for a free box. I've told them until they give me the tuning resolver, they'll not get my money for HD programing. I would rather have a working Tivo than their crappy DVR. And my cable bill went from over $100 to $75. I'm even thinking of going to DSL instead of the cable modem just because I don't want to give them any of my money.

    And Oceanic is anti-Cablecard. I had to demand that they send an installer out with two cards. The CSR continued to say that they would not work and that I needed two cable boxes. I told her the FCC mandated that they provide cable cards. She said, "we don't have to provide cablecards that work."
     
  17. Oct 3, 2008 #217 of 436
    docnaks

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    Thank for the tips, especially the one from mauigirl. I didn't realize you could get the CCs without the HD package, and still get the major networks on HD. I'll probably set it up that way at first, and add the HD package once (if ever) the tuning resolver is available.
     
  18. Oct 4, 2008 #218 of 436
    clark_kent

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    Could you keep us posted on your progress on acquiring CC's from Oceanic and not getting forced into paying for the HD package.
     
  19. Oct 4, 2008 #219 of 436
    HawaiiTivoLover

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    you are the lucky exception on Oahu to get the local stations over the air. due to topography most people (including myself in st louis hghts) get nothing.
    Lets all hope the tuning resolver is released soon.
     
  20. Oct 4, 2008 #220 of 436
    HawaiiTivoLover

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    Thanks for posting S1_junkie.
     

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