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TTG & MRV Coming in November for Series3 & TiVoHD

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by TiVoPony, Sep 6, 2007.

  1. Sep 7, 2007 #141 of 743
    vstone

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    An eSATA drive will fix this. I know we all want a server farm to store hundreds of movies in HD, but that's not necessarily Tivo'sd game plan,

    ...yet.
     
  2. Sep 7, 2007 #142 of 743
    Brainiac 5

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    If only cable companies everywhere were so kind!
     
  3. Sep 7, 2007 #143 of 743
    Bierboy

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    Yes, this guy would, because that's the vast majority of the HD that I TiVo.
     
  4. Sep 7, 2007 #144 of 743
    Brainiac 5

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    This may not matter to you either, but just remember that it's not just HD, but anything on a digital channel, whether SD or HD.
     
  5. Sep 7, 2007 #145 of 743
    mikeyts

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    I second that. I pretty much watch very little that's not HD and most of the HD material that I'm interested in is OTA. The only stuff that I watch that's not OTA are some premium cable series (currently only Dexter and Californication), premium cable movies and TNT's The Closer. The only non-HD programming that I watch are a couple of series on Sci Fi (the Stargate series and Battlestar Galactica), matches on The Tennis Channel, The Simpsons, Family Guy and American Dad.

    During the season, I watch the 3 CSI series, Smallville, Heroes. NCIS, L&O, L&O: SVU, ER, Boston Legal, Medium, House and Bones. There are 3 or 4 new shows that look promising. With all of the HD over-the-air stuff that I watch, I don't have time to watch any of the rest of digital cable. Certainly, the 13 hours/week of OTA that I currently watch make TTG potentially useful.
     
  6. Sep 7, 2007 #146 of 743
    moyekj

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    I don't know if it is a question of being kind. The decision to copy protect content should lie with the content provider, not the distributor (cable company in this case) so I think my cable company is simply correctly passing on the flag as set by the content providers without modifying. Of course we do know the cable company has the ability to set the flag if they so choose but I don't see how it benefits them to do so especially since channels are encrypted anyway. In some cases (from AVSForum threads) users have been able to get things changed in their local headend since the problem turned out to be a mistake rather than an intentional thing. My guess is many Tivo owners will be fighting these battles with their local headends once MRV/TTG is released (and our assumptions hold true that all CCI=0x0 content is eligible).
     
  7. Sep 7, 2007 #147 of 743
    aindik

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    It benefits them by reducing the differentiation between their DVR and TiVo's.
     
  8. Sep 7, 2007 #148 of 743
    barbeedoll

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    This is incredibly exciting. Now my Tivos go from 6 Series 2s and 1 Series 3 to 6 and 2.

    Great Job Tivo!!!!! And thanks Tivo Pony for the early Christmas gift.

    Barbeedoll
     
  9. Sep 7, 2007 #149 of 743
    dswallow

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    Has anyone done a definitive TiVoHD vs. Series3 comparison? I don't care much for the extra delay in the graphics pipeline of the TiVoHD, though if the reported chipset-based transcoding capability of the TiVoHD is ultimately going to be used to provide transcoding from HD to SD when transferring to Series 2 systems, I might consider getting one instead of getting another Series3. On the other hand, I really like having the front panel display of show names that are recording so I'm not sure the transcoding possibilitry in the future is even a consideration -- after all, I probably will eventually get rid of the Series2DT I have to keep things 100% HD-capable anyway.

    I just wish there were clearer choices to make here. :)
     
  10. Sep 7, 2007 #150 of 743
    richsadams

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    :eek: :eek: Eeeeeyow! And I thought we were addicted...clearly we barely hold amateur status!! :D
     
  11. Sep 7, 2007 #151 of 743
    Brainiac 5

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    I agree that it should work that way, but cable companies are allowed to set any channels they want except the over-the-air stations to copy once - and many do. Even if it's a mistake, they don't have to fix it, which in my experience means that they probably won't.

    It will be interesting to see if people can convince their cable companies to change this, as you mention some people having been able to do. That would be great!
     
  12. Sep 7, 2007 #152 of 743
    EVizzle

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    This is great news... I would rather not use "unsupported" eSATA drives, much rather transfer to my PC and external HDDs, not that eSATA is bad, but I am not comfortable creating such a setup. Now if I could only watch HD and my slingbox on my soon to be arriving ipod touch, I would be in digital heaven!
     
  13. Sep 7, 2007 #153 of 743
    mikesown

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    TiVoPony: Can you clarify one thing? When you say "copy protected" do you mean anything that's transmitted via cable which requires a cablecard to receive, or do you mean anything that doesn't have a 0x00 flag that's transmitted via cablecard? In essence, can things recorded through the cablecard be transmitted to my computer in their full digital HD glory?

    Also, any news on "fixing" the SDV problem? I want to buy a TiVoHD, but I don't want to make a $300 investment(then pay $16 a month) if the device isn't going to receive all of my channels.
     
  14. Sep 7, 2007 #154 of 743
    saberman

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    Does that mean we will be able to play non-protected HD video transferred from a S3 to a PC on the PC?
     
  15. Sep 7, 2007 #155 of 743
    TexasGrillChef

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    Well just keep in mind.

    At least for dallas... After Jan 1, 2010. S2 boxes will only work with composite video/audio in.

    Why?

    Because on Feb 17th, 2009 All OTA will go ATSC Digital. So the Tuners in S2 boxes will no longer work.

    On Jan 1st, 2010. TWC in Dallas will DROP all support for ANALOG cable and switch to 100% digital cable.

    Thus anything that would normally work with "Analog" cable such as the S2 box. will no longer get a signal from cable. Since analog will be shut off.

    Chicago analog cable (so I have heard) will be discontinuing ANALOG cable shortly after the Feb 17th 2009 deadline as well.

    What point am I trying to make?

    Well if the Content providers / Cable companies are marking the channels as "Copy Once" or even "Copy Never", Then eventually, even S2's won't be able to do MRV/TTG anymore.

    Another point I would like to make.... If you do have 2 S3's or THD and you record something with a "Copy Once" flag set. You will still be able to MRV it on your other Tivo S3/HD.... however just once... not many many times... The second time you watch the show, you will still have to watch it on the original Tivo. Thats the way I understand it. I could be wrong. You also might be able to transfer to Show to your PC (just once). However, once it is on your PC, you can use software to RIP & CHANGE the Copy flag. Then maybe transfer it back to any other Tivo you want to view it on.

    TGC

    Analog Cable/OTA is going away... What ya going to do when its 100% digital?
     
  16. Sep 8, 2007 #156 of 743
    aindik

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    S2s will record cable TV for as long as the cable companies are supplying cable boxes with composite or S-Video outputs. I can't see those going away any time soon.

    And it is probably possible via software update for the TiVo to control, via IR, an OTA digital STB with an S-Video or composite output.
     
  17. Sep 8, 2007 #157 of 743
    Espo

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    For people who keep asking, I think this is a pretty clear answer to whether or not the HD model has this added ability over the S3. After all, this is straight from the horse's (pony) mouth!
     
  18. Sep 8, 2007 #158 of 743
    Saxion

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    For this reason, the value of non-encrypted, basic tier (local network) channels might increase (i.e. not subject to copy protection). TiVoPony, can you give us any clue as to TiVo's plans to support basic tier digital channels without CableCARDs? Pretty please??? :)
     
  19. Sep 8, 2007 #159 of 743
    CharlesH

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    As I understand it, CCI=0x02 means "copy one more generation", not "make one more copy". You can make as many copies of the CCI=0x02 program that you want; it's just that the copies must be marked "copy never" CCI=0x03. I can see how this could be enforced on MRV, but not on TTG, since the TTG file on the PC is essentially "copy unlimited". Under this (optimistic) interpretation, you could MRV 0x02 content from TiVo#1 to TiVo#2, but you wouldn't be able to copy it off of TiVo#2; it would look like, for example, TiVoCast content on Tivo#2.
     
  20. Sep 8, 2007 #160 of 743
    jfh3

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    OK, it's tomorrow now. Anything to share? :D
     

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