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TTG & MRV Coming in November for Series3 & TiVoHD

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by TiVoPony, Sep 6, 2007.

  1. Sep 7, 2007 #101 of 743
    StuffOfInterest

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    That would get things part way there. Still, rather than having to setup copy for specific programs it would be nice to have a more generic setting with a logic to the effect of, "if you want to record a show and an existing show would have to be deleted to make room, move that show to be deleted over to a computer first." Essential, no...convienent, yes.
     
  2. Sep 7, 2007 #102 of 743
    MickeS

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    TiVoPony, what about the ability to play back MPEG-4 files transfered from a PC? Is that something that will be enabled, or will it still be all MPEG-2?
     
  3. Sep 7, 2007 #103 of 743
    cgould

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    Wouldn't the Tivo harddrive throughput (plus overhead of other work/recording/transfer CPU etc) be the bottleneck long before 100mb/s wired ethernet?
    Practically many drives achieve around 30MB/sec, 240Mb/s, much more than 100mb/s ethernet, but... that's without much overhead...

    most HD shows are around 7GB/hour. w/ my napkin math that means around 12+minutes txfer time assuming 75% throughput on the 100mbps ethernet.
    w/ native disk speeds (30MBps), that's 4minutes. 3x faster but...

    I doubt the Tivo hardware (disk/cpu/bus etc) could handle GigaE, but would be nice. Time to transfer/backup my entire 750gb drive at the speed above is 22hrs instead of 7 :)
     
  4. Sep 7, 2007 #104 of 743
    cwoody222

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    I hope we'd still be able to access the Now Playing list via a browser and then just download the .tivo file.

    Then we can use programs to turn it into a .mpeg to play natively on the Mac (for free, like Windows users can) or move the file to a Windows machine that may not be on the same network.
     
  5. Sep 7, 2007 #105 of 743
    Brainiac 5

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    What rodalpho describes is the way my cable company is, too. What you say is of course true for the local/must-carry channels, but it seems to be extremely common for cable companies to set all the other channels to copy-once, as people in the AVSForum HD Recorders forum can attest. And I suspect that is their policy. Even if it's not, I've never known my cable company to fix anything unless legally required to do so.

    If we really cannot transfer copy-once recordings (which I suspect we cannot), then a lot of people, possibly most, will not be able to use this for anything other than local channels.
     
  6. Sep 7, 2007 #106 of 743
    cgould

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    PS TivoPony & all the Tivo developers/CableLabs negotiators who enabled this good news -
    may I just offer another "WOOT!!!" hurrah and big thank you in advance for this news!! :)

    With this transfer ability- especially HD files including home movies (we'll see re formats)-
    this means Tivo could be a AppleTV killer in most functionality (slicker UI and ITMS-AAC DRM notwithstanding)... I can finally watch my HD home movies and such w/o swapping tapes and cables!
    and, I can now archive off the "eye candy" HD & other shows that I rarely watch (but want to keep) to my big PC drives/DVDs, and not worry about always-on eSATA expansion drives burning up etc...

    awesome news, worth the wait, hope this drives a lot more TivoHD/S3 sales now!
     
  7. Sep 7, 2007 #107 of 743
    raianoat

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    Thanks for the update! Great news!
     
  8. Sep 7, 2007 #108 of 743
    ncbagwell

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    Man, this is great news! I will be getting a Tivo HD or another Series 3 soon. Maybe 2 THDs with an upgraded hard drive for one!

    FWIW, I checked content flags on some of my recordings from TWC in Raleigh, NC and it looks like things on the digital teir (NBA TV for example) are flagged for Copy Never. But it isn't consistent. We'll see.
     
  9. Sep 7, 2007 #109 of 743
    MichaelK

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    same here.

    analog is obviously clear.

    digital locals are unencrypted.

    music choice is 0x00 for some reason.

    everything else digital is 0x02 = 'copy once'.

    I am under the impression that "copy once" has already occured on teh tivo's hard drive so things then become copy no more.

    WHich essentially leaves local channels and analog to MRV.

    it's a big annoying a cable company can be such pricks (they have the ability to allow the content providers to pass along flags so there is no reason for any head end to arbitrarily apply the copy once flag accross the board- in fact it can be against the wishes of the coyright holder- see cable in the classroom). But big picture most of my must have TV that doesn't repeat comes in on the broadcast networks so I can live with it. The one channel that does really annoy me is my RSN- so I am forced to tie up a tuner on each S3 for local sporting events.
     
  10. Sep 7, 2007 #110 of 743
    Joe3

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    Just a point.

    A copy command is not a move command.

    Transfer=move

    Copy once rule still in place.

    ???
     
  11. Sep 7, 2007 #111 of 743
    MichaelK

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    Also streaming is apparently allowed since only one copy exists at a time (apparently that's how MS gets around the problem)

    unfortunatly tivo doesn't Move or stream but rather copy's programs from one box to another.

    Perhaps they can update MRV so first it copies(but locks the show) then deletes the original on the old box, then unlocks the program on the new show.

    I think that might be legit in the eyes of cable. We'll have to keep our fingers crossed to see what tivo comes up with.
     
  12. Sep 7, 2007 #112 of 743
    dolfer

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    *Exactly* when in November??? I keed, I keed! ;)
     
  13. Sep 7, 2007 #113 of 743
    dbenrosen

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    The S3 handles the case where a show runs over by a minute or starts a minute early via a "clip" feature. It can clip up to 5 minutes of a program. So, if ER starts a minute early (it did two years ago, now it starts a minute late) and you were recording two shows then ended at 10, it will clip the first minute of ER.
     
  14. Sep 7, 2007 #114 of 743
    Brainiac 5

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    It's at least a little open to interpretation - many cable company DVRs will let you offload a copy-once program from the hard drive to a D-VHS recorder, for instance. (Apparently they don't count the copy on the hard drive.) However, TiVo is very conservative about these things, so I suspect you're right and they'll consider the copy on the TiVo's hard drive the one copy you're allowed (although I'd be very happy to be corrected on that).
     
  15. Sep 7, 2007 #115 of 743
    MichaelK

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    to be honest I'm not clear on it at all myself. :D

    I'm planning for he worst and maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised....
     
  16. Sep 7, 2007 #116 of 743
    mercurial

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    That's my hope to. I don't think it's likely but it's my hope. At least I'll be able to "offload" all the SD shows onto an S2DT TiVo in another room and then MRV them to the family room to save space. Might even be worth getting another S2DT for that.
     
  17. Sep 7, 2007 #117 of 743
    mikeyts

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    The problem with that is that it's essentially no copy protection at all. Though one assumes that the D-VHS copy would be encrypted and marked "Copy No More" so that no further copies could be made from it, if the copy on the DVR continues to exist, you can make infinite copies of it, one at a time.

    1394/DTCP was once imagined as a digital display interconnect--Mitsubishi vehemently swore that they'd never put an DVI-or-HDMI/HDCP connection on any of their displays, but they were forced to back down from that stance. It's perfectly legit to send a secure 1394/DTCP stream of a "Copy One Generation" recording if you mark that stream "Copy No More".
     
  18. Sep 7, 2007 #118 of 743
    eagraves

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    I have read through this thread, but have not seen an answer to the e-sata / external storage question relative to the Series 3s I own. Will this functionality be added at the same time? I, too, heard that these issues were all interrelated to the existence of cable cards. Thanks...
     
  19. Sep 7, 2007 #119 of 743
    Brainiac 5

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    Who knows what the reasoning is, but nonetheless, that's how many cable company DVRs work.
     
  20. Sep 7, 2007 #120 of 743
    headroll

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    Nothing in this thread speaks to the eSata upgrade, nor would I expect it to.

    I am sure once this is ready, Pony will announce it in a separate thread.

    -Roll
     

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