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TTG & MRV Coming in November for Series3 & TiVoHD

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by TiVoPony, Sep 6, 2007.

  1. Sep 7, 2007 #81 of 743
    LoREvanescence

    LoREvanescence Always Autocorrected

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    opps, yup. I meant DHCP. Yeah, i to figured that by just plugging it it should get a ip address from the router in the local apartment building. But it doesn't. When I want to the Computer help desk to get this sorted I was told that a Tivo is an unsupported device and the network does not allow it to get passed through. Any request tivo sends out is not returned and there for times out. To acces the network the net work must first scan your computer to varify that you have antivirus and have the latest security updates installed. If it doesn't, a device isn't allowed to access the network and doesn't get passed through. In addition, once a device is allowed through it must be registered, and the internet system forces a page on a computer or a mac for say when you open the browser where you have to fill out your full name, housing information and school email address. Wireless is a whole lot harder with a system scan at every connect and the need to log in with a user name and password.

    I would love to get TivoToGo working as well as other networking features. But have been unable and just told by my school that tivo is a unsupported device.


    I would love ot see this news on TTG and MRV revamp Tivo for the end of the year. Things are looking good=)
     
  2. Sep 7, 2007 #82 of 743
    raitchison

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    Either the lack of satellite support or the lack of a lifetime service option, take your pick :)


    Seriously, this is huge news, unfortunately it doesn't benefit me personally (I'd go without TV altogether before I gave TimeWarner a dime of my money) but this will fix one of the largest shortcomings in the TiVo HD/Series3 lineup.
     
  3. Sep 7, 2007 #83 of 743
    StuffOfInterest

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    With the reduced hard disk size in the TiVo HD, it would be nice if TiVo To Go would support auto-push of programs to a computer rather than deleting schedulced recorded programs when in-box disk capacity maxes out. I'd much rather be in a situation of pulling the video back from the PC than having it disappear all together if I happen to record 21 hours of (non-protected) HD content.
     
  4. Sep 7, 2007 #84 of 743
    cwoody222

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    I could 11 posts asking about Mac support... out of 80 posts so far. That's not bad.

    Pony - care to comment and quell any fears that TiVo will (once again) leave Mac users out in the cold?
     
  5. Sep 7, 2007 #85 of 743
    rainwater

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    TiVo Desktop already supports automatic downloading of season passes. I see no reason this will change when S3 support is added.
     
  6. Sep 7, 2007 #86 of 743
    nathanziarek

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    OT, but Holy cow!
     
  7. Sep 7, 2007 #87 of 743
    MickeS

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    Thanks for correcting me. Either way, I hope they have a different approach to this, so transfer speeds can be increased.
     
  8. Sep 7, 2007 #88 of 743
    rodalpho

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    Pretty much all channels in my cable system (time warner cable, southern manhattan) are CCI byte 0x2 - copy once. This covers everything except for a couple of HD channels, including discovery, sci-fi, comedy channel, FX, etc. Am I pretty much SOL for TTG?

    Also, does the S3 support mpeg-4 encoded TTCB files? Or is that still covered under NDA?
     
  9. Sep 7, 2007 #89 of 743
    TiivoDog

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    Yeah, this is a bummer as I have addressed this topic a while back both in this forum per the link below, as well as the provided link in that post, which tied back to when the Tivo S3 unit was first publicly available for display at 2006 CES show. I was certain the lack of gigabit speeds would raise concern within the Tivo Community as that enhancement would have greatly expedited transfer rates within one's own network (i.e. Home) for both MRV & TTG.....

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5278524&&#post5278524
     
  10. Sep 7, 2007 #90 of 743
    MichaelK

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    I'm not positive- as I dont use it regularly but can't you tell the tivo desktop to auto pull by series?
     
  11. Sep 7, 2007 #91 of 743
    MickeS

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    Yes, you can.
     
  12. Sep 7, 2007 #92 of 743
    MichaelK

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    I am no windows expert- but couldn't you can just slap another Ethernet card (wired or wireless) in your pc and then set up windows the "share" the connection with the tivo across the second card. At least with older versions of windows you could. (and I'm not sure if perhaps they could "find" the tivo but I believe the PC would use NAT and it would look invisible to the PC. But then again the NAT in the router should make hide how many devices are there anyway?

    You're just in college now so you probably don't know what dial up is- but way back when when there was no dsl or cable modems people used to share their dialup connection accross their networks (stop laughing - it was the only choice we had ;-))

    Another possibility is- a router that "clones" a MAC. One of the more knowledgeable guys can step in here but basically if I understand the MAC address is like the social security number of your Ethernet card. In the old days before routers cable modems would 'mate' to the MAC in the PC they were attached too as some sort of way to keep you from sharing the Internet with neighbors. The cable modem or cable head end would ensure that only that MAC address was allowed on the Internet. IT MIGHT be that once you jump through the log in hoops your connection clears that MAC address as OK. IF that's the case you would just get a router that "clones" the mac address off the laptop (basically like when an illegal steals your SS number to work)- and then let it scan your laptop and then connect behind the router with that MAC cloned. Might be worth a try?

    (Just trying to help- the more knowledgeable guys can probably either agree or debunk my thoughts...)
     
  13. Sep 7, 2007 #93 of 743
    MichaelK

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    never had 2 S2's at the same time to play with MRV myself (currently have 2 S3's and an S2) but from what I read- NO tivo with any adapter (built in or usb or hacked to the motherboard, wired or wireless, tivo brand or supported or non supported) has ever approached even 100- there's a limit in there someplace besides the speed of the netwrok adapter. So adding gigabit would still ahve the limit. COnsidering the THD has less expensive hardware then the S3 I'd guess that it doesn't have the hardware either to overcome whatever the bottleneck is...
     
  14. Sep 7, 2007 #94 of 743
    edrock200

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    This is great news. Looks like I can ditch a few more fios DVR's in favor of a few Tivo HD's (I only have one Tivo HD at the moment.) Now if they can just get VOD services to work on 3rd party boxes...
     
  15. Sep 7, 2007 #95 of 743
    mikeyts

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    You're saying that they encrypt everything that they store on the PC with Series 2 TTG? Do they encode it as some kind of DRM protected licensed content, ala WMDRM, essentially tethering it to the PC with some limited ability to transfer it to portable devices? I can see where that would make the IP holders happy, though there's nothing which legally compels it. The thing that they (the IP holders) fear most about things like TTG is unfettered network transfer of digital television--it was the stated purpose of the Broadcast Flag.
     
  16. Sep 7, 2007 #96 of 743
    TiVoPony

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    Yes, even from a Mac. ;)

    Mac support is via Toast 8 or Popcorn 3.

    Cheers,
    Pony
     
  17. Sep 7, 2007 #97 of 743
    mikeyts

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    For those "Copy One Generation" marked channels, you are. Again, it's against FCC regs for them to mark anything in the core basic tier that way, so all over-the-air local network HDTV should be transferrable. Whether they protect any of the rest is completely up to the cable companies and their content providers.

    Technically, the "one generation" of copies allowed for "Copy One Generation" marked content is the copy on the DVR. DVRs are a special case, since the intent of the rule is to allow for a single permanent copy to be made. It has been suggested that DVRs should be allowed a "move" operation which would end with the deletion of the copy on the DVR.
     
  18. Sep 7, 2007 #98 of 743
    clemon79

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    Two questions, neither of which I think have been covered yet:

    1) Is it still going to be a dog-slow transfer, like it is on the S2, and

    2) are they using the same muxing technique in the S3 transfer method, which means the audio/video sync issues are still going to be there?

    TTG and TivoBack was nice on an S2, and I can even live with the transfer speeds, but the A/V thing was maddening, and the reason I now run cables from my PC to my TV to watch programming on my PC.
     
  19. Sep 7, 2007 #99 of 743
    TiVoPony

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    HD content cannot be transferred to a Series2. And there is no transcoding ability to convert HD to SD (these are consumer electronic devices, not beefy multi-core PC's). So the answer is no. If it's recorded in HD on a Series3 or TiVoHD, then it can be shared between those platforms, but not with a Series2.

    And when I say 'can be shared between those platforms', it of course comes with any caveats the copyright owner dictates regarding sharing.

    Pony
     
  20. Sep 7, 2007 #100 of 743
    cgould

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    Sounds like your cable system has the flags wrong (likely due to mistaken default setting). Harass them, especially if it's for network/must-carry channels, as noted above. Likely they've just goofed, not any specific policy per se.

    would love to know about what TTCB file formats are supported too :) although as noted in a previous thread, HDV MPG2 (native HD camcorder files) appeared to work OK (w/ small tweak to change them to CBR flags not VBR)
     

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