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TTG & MRV Coming in November for Series3 & TiVoHD

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by TiVoPony, Sep 6, 2007.

  1. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    From your PC click start-run and type cmd, click OK.
    type ipconfig /all <press enter>

    The information that pops up should be what you need to manually configure your TiVo. You should record the gateway ip and subnet mask from the results. if you want to, you can give your TiVo the same ip as your computer, but they can't be plugged into the network at the same time. You best bet is to take your PC's ip address and start assigning an address on your TiVo changing only the last number. xxx.xxx.xxx.2, xxx.xxx.xxx.3, etc. The xxx's represent the IP address numbers listed on your computer. Unless they're specifcally blocking the ports TiVo uses you should eventually find an IP address that works. Keep in mind however that it might fail if you assign an address and another PC logs on with the same address.
     
  2. gormly2

    gormly2 New Member

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    Is there that much TV?

    But really... 6 SD's and 2 HD Tivo's?
    Thats is just beyond the need of any human being.

    and sad when you really think about it. :(


    Of course, you could have 15 illegals working the landscaping and they all need to watch telemundo on their break, what do I know? :confused:
     
  3. TexasGrillChef

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    Actually depends on the DVD.

    I have come across a few DVD's that in their FBI warning at the beggining of the movie they explicitly say that FREE public viewing is allowed. While I have seen other that don't say anything one way or the other, and a few that explicitly say Public viewing is not allowed.

    Although think of this... How many Church groups, Kids groups, School groups, & other non-profit social groups for all ages have "Movie parties" and show DVD's.

    To date... don't think a single person or group have ever been arrested or sued for such "public" viewing.

    While it is true, that showing a movie in a Bar/restaurant would be grounds for copyright infringment. The odds of getting sued are less then 1%. Unless if you were in California or something. Why do I say that?

    Because if you were showing that movie in a bar/restaurant or other buisness to attract customers/clients. Somone who you were infringing would have to protest or notice that you were infringing on their rights. Some Joe blow, or tom, dick & harry off the street aren't going to make that complaint, or file a law suit. Or even take the time & trouble of calling the Studios to let them know.

    Just goes back to something I had said in an earlier post.... ENFORCEMENT...
    It may be illegal to do so... but close to impossible to enforce.

    TGC
     
  4. TexasGrillChef

    TexasGrillChef New Member

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    Time is getting near!

    I think once everyone has had their machinces upgraded to the new fall release 9.1 I think it is. I beleive a week or two later they will turn MRV on.

    I think they are waiting for the final rollout of the software upgrade to go successfully first. Since it is needed for the MRV/TTG.

    I could be wrong...

    TGC
     
  5. TiivoDog

    TiivoDog FIOS Fast!!!

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    And I thought I was bad with my measly 7 Tivo's!!!
     
  6. etevo

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    TiVoPony;

    I wonder if TTG/TiVo Desktop for the S3 units will support closed captioning? From what I gather, the current TiVo Desktop/TTG for the S2 units do not have support for closed captioning. (Unless I'm mistaken!)

    Thanks!
     
  7. drew00001

    drew00001 New Member

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    It is my understanding that THD and S3 are the only TiVos that can decode closed captioning (without another device).

    When I had an S1, however, my TV had no problems decoding content saved on the Tivo.
     
  8. bicker

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    Personal preference does not equate to morality. So given that two people's personal preferences vary, and the law favors one of the two, it makes no sense to suggest that the other personal preference is the moral one.

    Customers, in general, have very little interest in learning what restrictions or limitations are associated with what they're buying -- the closer the customer is to J6P the more that is the case, but I've seen the same thing even in B2B situations.
     
  9. bicker

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    However, it is great when we do agree, like in this case.... actually, I suspect that whenever the two of us do agree, we can probably rest assured that we're that much closer to being absolutely and unequivocally on-target.
     
  10. andyw715

    andyw715 Well-Known Member

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    "...Also try this, open a bar or restaurant and play those DVDs, even for no extra charge to patrons. See what the court thinks of your theory there is no license involved in a DVD sale or rental and you can do whatever you want. ..."

    Recent news articles (within the past few months) cited a few bars in Madison WI, that were issued citations for live music....some guy playing the guitar singing cover songs...for copyright infringement.


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  11. TexasGrillChef

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    Did they simply pay the fine, or did they "Take it court". If they took it too court, who won?

    I would be willing to bet that if they hired a good lawyer, the cases were dismissed or settle for reasonable fees, that still probably made it worth it to do what they did.

    TGC
     
  12. Brainiac 5

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    By cutting out the parts you considered "irrelevant," you changed the meaning. I did not state that I was "entitled" to MRV because I paid for cable TV service. I did state that this is a case where desiring it is not desiring to engage in rampant piracy and "expecting everything for free." I think it's a reasonable thing to want; that does not imply that the cable company is obligated to give it to me.

    The point of the comment about being a paying customer is that I'm not interested in stealing cable, piracy, or anything else that violates copyright; I'm interested in watching from a different room. While I can't speak for the cable companies, I doubt that they see this as something they would take steps to prevent in and of itself; they're only doing so because the current DRM scheme will stop it along with all the other things that they do specifically want to block.

    Seems there's a lot of this going around, because your whole discussion of "entitlement" has nothing to do with what I said. However, if I'm guilty of misstating your opinion I can admit it, so point taken.

    Just to be sure I understand then: when you talked about people "wanting everything for free," I thought that was a broad characterization of people who'd like to do things not allowed by current DRM. If you're saying that some people are like that, and that's the reason we have DRM, I agree. However, I'd disagree if you were saying that everyone who has issues with DRM is like that.

    I'm a little confused - you don't believe that I'm saying what you quoted me as saying? :confused:

    As for "why" being a "useless question," that's nice, but it's not an answer. Actually, the question was meant to have the obvious answer that they probably don't specifically want to restrict this particular use. But if you have another answer, let us know and we'll see if we're able to "internalize" it. Note that I'm not asking why we have DRM, I'm asking why they'd want to restrict MRV specifically.
     
  13. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    well sure enforcement is what upholds the license. Take the cops off the roads and see how many traffic laws are obeyed. :eek:

    and Police are not likely to bust some community movie night unless some infringed party insists on it. Think NFL here. I saw a fundraiser to fight cancer that was sponsored by the Carolina Panthers get shut down ahead of the event by the NFL because the plan was to have the game on a big screen outside the stadium to draw crowds and do some fundraising stuff.

    now sure a bar somewhere might get away with showing DVDs in violation of the license for that DVD. Think though, what a customer draw that would be to have movies playing in the bar/restaraunt, yet 99.99999999% of such places would not even think of doing it. Wonder why?
     
  14. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    hmm, I heard that same "covered with purchase" somewhere before
     
  15. jrm01

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    In an earlier posting I mentioned that when I took a recent TiVo training course they said that the November release of TTG for S3 and THD would be for Analog only.

    I have now received a message from TiVoJerry stating that the material in that training program was out of date. That is no longer true. :) :) :) :up:

    The temperature is dropping, the leaves are turning. Is it November yet?
     
  16. bicker

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    I disagree. I kept my message short, and to the point.

    Thanks for explicitly stating that. That's really the whole context of my message.

    Which is not something you're necessarily paying for. That was my point.

    DRM exists because there are people who refuse to voluntarily comply with terms and conditions of use. That's not saying that everyone refuses to comply, but enough do.

    Reading that over I cannot remember what I was referring to. I probably misread that part of your message. Sorry about that.

    And that's my point: Not every inquiry to a supplier requires an answer, despite the desire of customers to have one. And despite vigorous protestations to the contrary, sometimes it is in the suppliers' best interest to provide a non-answer or no answer to such inquiries. Folks can therefore speculate about what the answer might be, but (1) it isn't going to have any reliable chance of accuracy, and (2) it won't change the customer's ability to derive value from the service offering.
     
  17. sommerfeld

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    Bad analogy for DRM, because DRM enforcement is by a computer program with tunnel vision, not people who can look at the big picture.

    Would you buy a car with an automatic speed governor which prevented it from exceeding the posted speed limit?
     
  18. bicker

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    In some places, speed limits are enforced by cameras, not human police officers.
     
  19. TexasGrillChef

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    I'll Tell ya why 99.999999999999% of bars etc.. don't. Because there are ALOT of decent customers out there that would find a Bar etc... doing that as dishonest & would probably wonder about the establishments OTHER practices & then stop being a customer. So while the "First" night would be good..."Second" night of DVD's probably wouldn't be.

    I can see where the Carolina Pathers were shut down. They were outside the stadium! Thats like smokin a joint in front of a Police officer! (Depending on what state your from.. since its legal in a few states now).

    BTW..... Even with all the cops on the road. Majority of americans do continue to "SPEED" Some only 5-10mph over... others even alot more. Radar Detectors are a Multi Billion dollar a year buisness. Knock on wood... I use one & haven't received a speeding ticket in over 3 years... Although I did spend a chunk of change & have the best one money can buy. LOL

    Point being... as with everything... it's all about the bottom line & values... I am willing to pay the cost of a radar detector/jammer and fines/lawyer costs to keep speeding down the road. Others are not. Same thing applies to Copying/PD of Music/Movies/TV Shows.

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  20. TexasGrillChef

    TexasGrillChef New Member

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    Nope... I wouldn't... I love to speed! LOL

    However.. I am glad in SOME STATES.... Schools CAN"T buy buss's or other School Vehicles unless they do have a speed governor on them.

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