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True Detectives on HBO Season 1 - Spoilers

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by mr.unnatural, Jan 14, 2014.

  1. Mar 5, 2014 #221 of 340
    Carlucci

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    No, nor have we seen anything that excludes Marty (WH) from consideration, at least as a co-conspirator. He seemed eager, but did not want to appear overly eager, to have the case turned over to the task force, where it might have been quashed (assuming the cult has as far-reaching tentacles as we are led to believe) and taken away from Cohle's control.

    I think Marty's daughters are damaged, either by abuse or by some knowledge of it. Maybe they're not his and Maggie's daughters at all. That scene where he calls them to dinner and they have a bunch of male dolls posed standing over a naked female doll, plus his older daughter having gotten in trouble for drawing explicit pictures in school, seems meant to steer us to the conclusion that they have lost their innocence somehow.

    If you turn up the volume on the scene where Marty walks to his daughters' room, the girls are saying something like "They (we?)don't have any parents anymore. They died in a car crash." In this mostly red-herring free show, with carefully crafted dialogue, that has to mean something.

    Plus, Marty executed Reggie Ledoux while he was handcuffed and caught. Could that have been to silence him and not the result of his rage, as we are meant to assume?
     
  2. Mar 5, 2014 #222 of 340
    Anubys

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    Why can't they just find a ring of serial pedophiles and killers and bust them?

    why does it have to be more complicated than that? Maybe Rust is killed while arresting them or something. But I don't see any reason for anything more.

    I would hate to have an Agatha Christie ending where info that were never given or shown pops up at the last minute. I don't see any need for a twist coming out of left field.
     
  3. Mar 5, 2014 #223 of 340
    Steveknj

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    Yes, there are lots of clues pointing to Marty. I think it's him.
     
  4. Mar 5, 2014 #224 of 340
    Anubys

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    Let me put it this way: if it's Marty, I will eat my shorts and post it on youtube.
     
  5. Mar 5, 2014 #225 of 340
    KenDC

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    Does anybody know if the final is longer than the usual hour? I sure hope so.
     
  6. Mar 5, 2014 #226 of 340
    Carlucci

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    They have those kind of shows, the Law and Order, CSI type stuff. I don't think you get an 8-episode, HBO original series greenlit with just a plain 'ol detective story, but I'd be happily proven wrong, and will have enjoyed the ride either way.

    Whereas "The Killing" employed every lazy red-herring, cheap trick, and misdirection technique known to Hollywood, "True Detective" may very well have been laying very subtle clues in front of us the whole time. I think that would be quite a feat, as long as it's not a total out-of-left-field, mindfreak magic trick like, say, making Maggie the killer.
     
  7. Mar 5, 2014 #227 of 340
    TAsunder

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    :up: I hope for your sake that this goes better than Werner Herzog's similar bet.
     
  8. Mar 5, 2014 #228 of 340
    BlueMerle

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    I really hope it's not Marty or Rust. That would seem like such a cheap shot imo.

    Honestly, I don't think it's either of them. Time will tell though.
     
  9. Mar 5, 2014 #229 of 340
    Carlucci

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    I'm totally sure neither Rust or Marty are the Antler Killer. But I think Marty is either a participant in the satanic cult or complicit in the ongoing cover-up of their crimes, either willingly or through coercion.
     
  10. Mar 5, 2014 #230 of 340
    john4200

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    I do not see how Marty could actually be involved in the killings of the girls -- it just does not fit with what we have seen of his reactions to people who have harmed children (his reaction to the video, his reaction to seeing the children Ledoux had taken). Also, the way he behaved with the Sheriff in the last episode makes it seem like Marty is not involved (unless the Sheriff is also not involved).

    But Marty seems to have some dirty secret that we do not yet know. That scene that his girls reenacted with dolls did not seem imaginary. What did the girls see, and where was Marty when they saw it? I suppose the girls could have somehow witnessed the killers doing their ritual and Marty did not see himself. But Marty saw the weird doll scene his girls made when he called them to dinner, and he did not ask them about it. His reaction to that was odd.
     
  11. Mar 5, 2014 #231 of 340
    dslunceford

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    That's my wife's theory as well. Other than a red herring, I don't know why they would have introduced the plot points of the daughter's drawings, etc. they could have illustrated the detached father angle certainly without using that device
     
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    markp99

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    BlueMerle

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    LOL!

    It's crystal clear to me now. :)
     
  15. Mar 7, 2014 #235 of 340
    sharkster

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    LMAO (video)

    This is one of my shows that I have to watch using my wireless headphones or I don't hear/comprehend half of what is being said.

    I still feel mildly confused but I made a point of watching E07 early in the evening last night so I wasn't falling asleep. I don't really have a strong theory but I almost feel like they want us to think it's Rust, but Marty is the one with some kind of involvement. I didn't even catch the thing with the girls playing with the dolls. d'oh! I think I need to go back and watch E01 through E06 again.
     
  16. Mar 7, 2014 #236 of 340
    billypritchard

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    I will appreciate it if neither lead is involved. Why should every show feel the need for some kind of stupid twist like that?

    And I think overall the show is just as much about Marty and Rust and who they are, and how the case has affected their lives and how they see themselves. We don't need an awesome end to the case to have an awesome show.
     
  17. Mar 7, 2014 #237 of 340
    danterner

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    I agree, and I'll add: To have an awesome end to the show there cannot be an awesome end to the case. The show has been pushing that time is a flat circle and so, to be true to itself, the show must avoid closure in favor of looping back in some way. I'll be disappointed if things wrap up.
     
  18. Mar 7, 2014 #238 of 340
    billypritchard

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    It's possible they solve the Dora Lange murder, but with the understanding that things just aren't going to change there. Women/kids will still disappear, even if they find the Yellow King. There would just be a new king.
     
  19. Mar 7, 2014 #239 of 340
    john4200

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    "The show" has been doing that? I must have missed it. Rust babbles on with his weird philosophies, but that certainly does not imply that the "world" of the show has to follow Rust's philosophy.

    I expect the show to provide a satisfactory wrap-up of the case.
     
  20. Mar 7, 2014 #240 of 340
    NorthAlabama

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    after the methodical 7 episode journey, following the characters accross 17 years to get to the finale, i'd be surprised if they didn't wrap up a good many loose ends...we'll know soon.
     

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