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To TIVO or NOT to TIVO!?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by tedrik, Jul 30, 2012.

  1. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Not quite. You are correct about the HDUI, MRS, the disk usage meter, and full feature support on the smart devices, but you forgot Hulu +. ;)

    The Series 3/TivoHD has parental controls, and because the Netflix and Youtube interfaces were upgraded on the TiVo side of things, Series 3 users are also getting the interfaces in HD now.

    Also, the Series 3 Tivos have a disk usage meter.
    It's called the 'Recently Deleted Folder'. ;):D
     
  2. tedrik

    tedrik New Member

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    Just placed my order for the TIVO TCD746500 at Amazon (sold/shipped by ABT electronics-$129.99 w/free shipping/no tax.) After so many positive reviews I couldn't stop myself!
     
  3. lrhorer

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    Yawn. Especially for him, since he says he is only going to have one Tivo, making multi-room anything moot, and he is OTA, making MRS moot even if he winds up getting more than 1 TiVo. I have four TiVos, and I almost never use MRV. It would not upset me for it to disappear.

    I can't speak ot the relative merits of parental controls between the two platforms, since I have not investigated it, but the S3 has parental controls.

    That not a bell, it's a blob of slag. Subtract another 10 points from the Premier.

    Worse than useless. The DUM provides nothing of benefit to the user. At best it is a waste of time and a utility that induces stress for no reason.

    I have no use for Netflix,m because I have a TiVo. I have no use for YouTube because it is YouTube. Given the OPs responses, it doesn't sound like they mean very much to him, either, although I could be mistaken.

    Since I never intend to have either one, this definitely fails the useability test, although the iPad interfce is a bit smoother when used with kmttg as opposed to TiVoWebPlus. What, if anything, they mean to the OP I can't say. In any case, it's an extremely tiny feature set compared to what is lost over the S3.

    I understand this to be the case, but why escapes me. There is almost nothing on NetFlix that is both of any interest and that I do not already have.

    I would submit NetFlix sucks fairly badly irrespective of the interface. Sloggin through the endless list of garbage, I find not one title in ten ot be of even remote interest, and that one title is almost always one I already have in my library, courtesy of my TiVos.

    Why? (BTW, having a TV in the bedroom is a rather bad idea, as any sleep specialist or psychiatrist can tell you. Having a TV in the bedroom tends to induce poor sleep patterns and sleep deprivation, and tends to reinforce depression.)

    That's just the point. It is never, ever, EVER time to prune old shows, and if your TiVo is ever anything but completely full, you are wasting its capabilities. There is nothing whatsoever ot be gained by manually deleting shows unless they are ones that you don't want to watch. All four of my TiVos are nearly 100% full nearly 100% of the time, and it is not unusual for the oldest program to be more than a year old. I never delete any show unless I no longer want to watch it, irrespective of its age. The TiVo handles that magnificently all by itself without me having to worry about it, or even bother to turn on the TV. With only a couple of small exceptions, I never do anything with the TiVo but watch what is on it. (Ignoring TTG, which is done without the TV being on.)
     
  4. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    And there is one in kmttg, and a couple of other 3rd party apps that provide one of one sort or the other. None of them are of any real use. The amount of disk space in use is simply not a piece of information the user can employ to any significant benefit. Even if one, for some unfathomable reason, does want to "prune" the content on the hard drive, a DUM neither tells the user when it is appropriate nor for which files it is appropriate. This information, if one is obsessively compulsive, has to be obtained from the NPL, from where it is easy to obtain it. The question, "How much space is used" is simply irrelevant. The relevant question, and not very relevant at that is, "What is the oldest program and how old is it?" It is that program the TIVo is going to delete, and if it is one the user doesn't want to lose, then the user needs to either watch it, archive it, or set it KUID, the latter being a last resort. OTOH, in the vast majority of cases, how really important is it that the user retain a program he hasn't bothered to watch in perhaps a year or more?
     
  5. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    Please avoid quoting an entire post just to rebut a single point in the post, particularly one embedded deep inside the post.
     
  6. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Not a bad choice.

    Are you going to go with monthly service subscription or Product Lifetime Service subscription?

    You should be able to subcribe it online after you create an account at TiVo.com.
     
  7. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    +1 :up: Makes for huge posts filled with mostly irrelevant content. At least you fill your huge posts with some original content. :D
     
  8. tedrik

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    OMG I am so sorry- I should be prosecuted to the Max!!
     
  9. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    I never suggested any sort of censure of your behavior. I merely made a reasonable and polite request that you think of others when you post while at the same time making your own posts more effective and efficient by eliminating superfluous quoting. What part of any of that should elicit sarcasm in your response?
     
  10. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    I suppose I do love the sound of my own voice... er... look of my own typing, but I do indeed try to make well supported statements lacking in superfluity, and I definitely do try to avoid excessive or unnecessary quoting.
     
  11. lrhorer

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    PLS is always a little bit of a gamble, but not much. If one can fit it into one's budget, it can potentially save one a good chunk of change over the long run. It takes a couple of years to completely amortize the investment, but at that point in time one has a box that sells for a fair amount of cash on ebay or craigslist. Even if one sells the TiVo after about a year or so, the increased sale price offsets the amount one spent over and above the cost of a monthly sub.
     
  12. tedrik

    tedrik New Member

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    I will certainly work on making my posts more effective and efficient by eliminating superfluous quoting. I'm totally in awe of your vast knowledge and your ability to provide such "constructive" criticism/comments to the many good faith posters who are looking for a bit of help with a side order of politeness. It's so refreshing to be able to seek advice without having to endure posters with condescending/know-it-all attitudes. Thankyou for being here to assist all the TIVO members.
     
  13. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Since both of you guys are in San Antonio why don't you just meet up and have your snark-off in person?

    Better yet, buy each other a beer.
     
  14. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    I didn't snark. I made a polite and proper request of someone who is obviously quite new to the forum. When his response was abusive, I merely asked him if such abuse was warranted. I never snarked at him or made any personal references. That is the point, and it is also why I declined to respond to his last post.

    I don't drink.
     
  15. tedrik

    tedrik New Member

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    checked tracking this AM and TIVO will be delivered tomorrow. Inititially, we intended to order 2, but I guess it makes sense to try it first. As far as the Lifetime subscription-it's a no-brainer-that we would save money. But, after years of $100.00 plus satellite bills $14.95 or $28.00 a month is not a huge concern. Whenever we replace our electronics, we donate or give to friends/neighbors, so selling is not a consideration ( valid point of the benefit in selling a TIVO unit which has the lifetime subscription).

    So, with TIVO- OTA and Netflix and the occasional online rental from VUDU or Amazon, we should be pretty well set.
     
  16. mr.unnatural

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    I'm surprised you even own one Tivo considering that you believe there's absolutely nothing worth watching on TV.:rolleyes: By now you surely must have realized that you're the exception to the rule when it comes to TV viewers with Tivos. Many of us do watch OTA programming and other shows on cable or FIOS that are recurring and require season passes, regardless of what your tastes are.

    Just another thread crapped on by lrhorer.:p
     
  17. mattack

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    I think you're sort of using backwards logic here too though.

    If you give the electronics to friends/neighbors, you are effectively giving them an albatross, since they are getting used/old electronics that requires (what a lot of people consider) an expensive monthly fee.

    So even for giving it away, if you have used it for enough months to make the lifetime price amortized down to a reasonable amount, you're still giving your friends/neighbors a FAR better gift if it already has a subscription.
     
  18. tedrik

    tedrik New Member

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    I guess I need to clarify- We're mostly talking Tv's, DVD players etc. which the recipients have been very grateful/thankful and for the most part use and enjoy them (i.e. 2, 4 year old plasma tv's we recently gave away when replacing with our new LG LCD TV's). I agree, then I probably should NOT gift a TIVO without the LIFETIME subscription. Anyway, this is a long time future consideration, since we haven't even received our 1st TIVO yet (out for delivery today).
     
  19. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Give 'em a Series 2 and see if they can get the $399 deal on a lifetimed Premiere.
     
  20. WizarDru

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    Ah, I see. I misunderstood your point. I thought you were claiming that the Premiere had no features to differentiate it from the TivoHD or Series 3. What you were actually saying was that you don't care for any the features on the Premiere as they have no value to you. Fair enough. Your experience is not universal, however. I find some of these features to be killer apps. I think you overrate the TiVo's internal logic concerning old shows, too....I also routinely have shows that are a year old (example: we watched two season finales from 2011 this weekend, so we could catch up with the 2012 premieres) and have had situations where the TiVo failed to record something because it was full. We do lots of 'impulse recordings' and I have four different people recording things...sometimes at cross purposes and often set to never delete. Our use of the TiVo is different than yours, so it isn't surprising that our opinions of its features are likewise not the same.

    Why would I have second TV and Tivo? So that more than one person can watch TV at the same time.
     

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