Hi, new to this forum. I may have ditched DISH Satellite too soon (after over a decade). I hadn't thought of the inconveniences we would encounter. The reason we finally cancelled was because, other than local stations, the only other stations we watched were LIFETIME (wife) and ESPN and FOXNEWS (myself). Ridiculous IMO to pay over $100.00 for 2 stations (we now have OTA with indoor antennas with a much better HD picture quality than with satellite). We are in San Antonio, TX and receive 22 stations (6 hispanic) crystal clear! Now for the problem/inconvenience- I assumed we would be able to use our DVD recorders to record the local stations at our convenience. Well, we CANNOT! Our 2 brand new HD/3D LG Tv's have no video outputs (only inputs-except for an optical audio output). I googled and found that this is by design to FORCE us to cable/satellite/TIVO etc.(Receivers with outputs). They even stopped selling DVD recorders WITH DIGITAL ATSC tuners to make it further IMPOSSIBLE to record. I previously had a Panasonic DVD recorder with a digital tuner (had no use-at the time for the tuner since it was hooked up to satellite receiver) I had paid $169.00 for it approx. 4 years ago-they are now selling on Amazon(used) for over $700.00(with digital tuners). Saw some today on Amazon for over (900.00) and E-bay with starting bids at $200 which will hit the ceiling I'm sure! Wow, are we being manipulated!! OK! Rant Over!! Is Tivo the best option? We were considering the cheaper Premier model for $99.00 and $14.95 per month. It only has a 320 GB and 45 hours of HD recording. That's ok for us since even with DVD recording we watched/erased often. How easy does the TIVO record and erase. Is the local channel guide convenient (since we will have it connected ONLY to the OTA input). Is it better to purchase directly through the TIVO website or through alternates (Amazon etc.) Any advice will be appreciated. We were looking forward (1 year ago) to purchasing the NEW ON MARKET BLU RAY DVD RECORDER (with ATSC tuner) to record. They are off the market(never made it to our market)in the US, but are selling well in Japan/Korea etc. It's not the fault of the makers-Panasonic/ LG etc. They simply understand that there is no market for them in the U.S. because of the aforementioned.