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To Standby or Not to Standby?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by JfNebraska, May 2, 2012.

  1. PeteB

    PeteB New Member

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    I'm not sure about this, but I think it turns off TV ratings too. I watch 1 show on NBC, then put TIVO in Standby so I don't give viewer ratings to all their other crappy shows throughout the night.
     
  2. heyted

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    Yes -- during the day. At night, I kill the power to our TiVos:). On our unsubscribed Premiere in our living room, I kill the power using a wireless Ademco Lamp Module connected to a Smart Strip. This allows me to kill the power to the entire entertainment center (and other devices) with the press of a single button on my key chain:D. The following day, when I arrive home from work, I use the same key chain remote to disarm the security system, unlock the wireless door deadbolt, and power up multiple devices including the Premiere (optionally all with the single press of one of the four buttons on the remote from outside the house:eek:). There are multiple reasons to not kill the power to a TiVo, but I do it anyway with an understanding of the limitations and life expectancy effects.
     
  3. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I have a timer on one of my TiVo and have had it for some years now, never caused any problems, leaving the TiVo off for 11 hours a day will make the drive last longer, some people dispute that but over a five year period the drives runs about 1/2 the time, it will last longer. (If one turned the drive on than off every 5 minutes than the large number of starts and stops over 5 years may degrade the drives life, if, on the other hand, you ran the drive for 5 minutes a year the drive would most likely last as long as a drive would sitting on the shelf unused.)
     
  4. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    You might think that (your evidence is anecdotal), but you have to realize that start up stresses the motor. I think that the stress is more detrimental to a hard drive than just letting it run 24/7.
    Not only that, you're putting stress on the internal parts. The constant heating and cooling of the internal parts causes stress due to thermal expansion and contraction. It might even affect the lubrication of the motor, which in turn stresses the motor even more, and it all eventually snowballs to failure.
     
  5. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    You have a point but nobody knows where the sweet spot is for TiVo or for that mater even a computer. I am sure that turning a TiVo on than off every 5 minutes will shorten the life as compared to running it 24/7, but turning it on for 1 hour once a year will make the system last a lot longer than running it 24/7. (The same would be true of a computer) Running the system once a year would give you no usefulness in the computer or a TiVo, at 24/7 usefulness is the greatest, but if there is a sweet spot in-between it is an unknown. I put my computer to sleep 5 to 10 times a day, and never have any problems with the computer over the six years I normally keep one, yes that is evidence that is anecdotal but I never heard of any better information. I never leave my TV on 24/7 or keep my DVD player running 24/7. In the case of my 6 year old DLP TV the bulb would have burned out long ago running it 24/7 as the life expectancy is only about 3/4 of a year total. Disk drives have bearings and some inside dust collection that held down with the built in filter but running time will shorten the life of any hard drive over not running it. As example the hard drive on my computer, 30 months old, has an on time of 4597 hours and a start/stop count of 4582 (Info from the HD Tune program)
     
  6. Stevesreed

    Stevesreed New Member

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    I pay an average of $.20 per kwh, so I save $.365 an month, assuming 20 hours stand by a day. :)

    Anyway, I don't do it for the $$. I do it because it adds up. It costs nothing and requires no sacrifice or change in my behavior.
     
  7. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    It may also be a case of different EAS protocols for different purposes.

    @2AM this morning, there was an EAS test. Not only was it full screen with that annoying alert sound, it was recorded by both live buffers, including the one that was for the tuner set to an OTA channel.
     
  8. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    Its all a balance of risk.

    Additional stress may lead to a decrease if life of a drive (I won't argue my beliefs here, there are tons of threads on that). So, if you happen to have the drive that fails early due to the additional stress, the replacement will more than make up for a couple of dollars a month of "savings". Not only that, I would say that the 2 watt hours of energy saved is also upside down for the energy used to produce that new hard disk from dirt to installation. (not to mention those who would just buy a new unit, unlike the tinkerers here)

    Enough drives failing early due to this stress could quickly make this savings negative overall, while individually there may be "winners".
     
  9. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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    Standby does not power down the drive. There is zero additional stress.
     
  10. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    Sorry, I was talking about those who were putting their tivos on timers.
     
  11. Stevesreed

    Stevesreed New Member

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    If you put it on a timer and it's off for 20 hours a day, you should save more like 15.81kwh a month. Still only $3.16 a month though.
     
  12. CoxInPHX

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

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    One Premiere in the spare bedroom goes into Standby everyday automatically, after about 12-18 hours of inactivity. The TV is usually off and the HDMI connection is usually set to the Bluray player, so the TiVo HDMI handshake disconnect may have something to do with it.

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=490146
     
  13. David D

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    Does anyone know exactly what DOES shut off when in standby?

    The last tech support call I made to TiVo, the tech told me that he thought the tuner shut off and that putting the unit into standby might keep the number of channel corrections down thereby decreasing the chances of my TiVo doing a reboot. He said that the TiVo will sometimes reboot itself if the correction count gets too high.

    Yes, my BS detector did register a few ticks on the meter, but I'm not a TiVo engineer, so I can't say for sure.
     
  14. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    The tuners do not shut off on a non DirectTV TiVo. Otherwise, you would have empty live buffers when you came out of standby, which is definitely not the case.
     
  15. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I have been interrupted many times by the EAS tests when watching live or a recorded program, but I have never had nor has my wife had a recording interrupted by the EAS tests, am I just lucky? have any of you had a recording interrupted by the EAS tests and know that it on the recording itself ?
     
  16. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    I certainly have.
     
  17. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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  18. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    So your saying that a recorded program got EAS interrupted, did it turn into two segments or just a single segment with the EAS tests somewhere in the program? Maybe Comcast in CT EAS does not cause that problem, or as I said, I am just lucky.
     
  19. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Same here, multiple times due to the crappy old school black screen with white letters EAS that Comcast uses in the ATL. It gets overlaid on the recording every time. Doesn't happen often enough to use standby though (for me).
     
  20. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    The latter, within the program.

    As slowbiscuit initimated, Comcast in the ATL is gawdawful, which is why I don't think this will ever be addressed by them nor are we likely to see VOD on TiVo.
     

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