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Tivo's explanation on Mini pricing

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by magnus, Mar 21, 2013.

  1. Apr 12, 2013 #61 of 111
    jmpage2

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    You are happy because you have a Premiere at a price that is not available for new subscribers.

    The Mini is not necessarily aimed at you. However it's worth pointing out that;

    1. The Mini is a LOT faster than your Premiere.
    2. The Mini uses less than 20% of the electricity of a Premiere.
    3. Mini has no moving parts to fail.
    4. Mini requires no cable card rentals, extra outlet charges, etc.

    It's for THOSE reasons that some of us with 4 tuner TiVos have bought one or more Minis.
     
  2. Apr 12, 2013 #62 of 111
    Arcady

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    I have a 4 tuner box.

    I don't want a 3 tuner box.

    In fact, I have a 6 tuner box if I combine the Elite and the cheapass Premiere.

    The financials make no sense for this Mini nonsense.

    As for electricity, I have things like air conditioners and microwaves that use 1200 times the power. Who cares?

    Cable Cards are $2. Who cares?

    If the hard drive fails, I can buy a 2TB for $79. Who cares?
     
  3. Apr 12, 2013 #63 of 111
    moyekj

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    I have a 4 tuner box that is still a 4 tuner box even with a Mini attached to it as I don't dedicate any tuners to the Mini. The GUI speed on the 4 tuner box is just pitiful compared to the speed of the Mini, so much so that I mostly use the Mini as my main front end to the Elite. And yes the speed of My Elite is so lousy I was happy to fork out $250 bucks to improve on it tremendously. Personally I can't wait until next 4+ tuner TiVo model with better processor is available so I can get rid of my sluggish Elite (well I probably won't get rid of it but will relegate it permanently to headless recording). The responsiveness of the Mini is not something to be overlooked by those who have never tried it and hopefully is a preview of coming attractions for new TiVo DVR boxes.
     
  4. Apr 12, 2013 #64 of 111
    Arcady

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    I don't get people who complain about the interface speed. I use it for 20 seconds to pick a show to watch. It's not like it makes the actual show play slowly. Did you ever use a CD player in 1984? Wow, CD should have failed as a format! Give me a break.
     
  5. Apr 12, 2013 #65 of 111
    jmpage2

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    The financials make plenty of sense. Because you don't care about your electric bill and because you don't have to pay the $9 outlet fee that many have to pay per cable card and because you don't care about the interface speed the Mini does not make sense to you. The problem is you can't see things from anyone else's point of view. For someone paying .25 per kwh for electricity and paying $9 a month for a CC + outlet charge the Mini makes financial sense. You are hung up about how many tuners you have but the reality is many of us can "get by" with three tuners until dynamic tuner allocation is delivered.
     
  6. Apr 12, 2013 #66 of 111
    Arcady

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    You can highlight you all you want, but $250 for a box that saves me negative money is stupid. It's not my fault you have a cable company that cheats and charges fake outlet charges.
     
  7. Apr 12, 2013 #67 of 111
    atmuscarella

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    And your point is what? That not ever product that TiVo makes works or makes sense for you? Welcome to the club. All of the products that TiVo has released since the Premiere don't work for me - so what? It certainly doesn't mean that all of those products are worthless for everyone, it just means they are not for me.
     
  8. Apr 12, 2013 #68 of 111
    aaronwt

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    I use my Minis more than my Elites. But that is because I have a Mini in my main setup, next to an Elite, that I use for most of my TV watching. Instead of using the Elite.
    Once a Six tuner box comes out, I'll be using the six tuner box for my main viewing.
     
  9. Apr 12, 2013 #69 of 111
    jmpage2

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    And it's not my fault that you insist on wasting everyone's time thread-crapping all over the place in the TiVo Mini forum when you clearly have zero interest in the thing.
     
  10. Apr 12, 2013 #70 of 111
    Bigg

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    Exactly. TiVo was BEHIND in that manner up until now, since Comcast and the others had it. And DirecTV and whatnot.

    They definitely need to work on the software and software features, as I think we do (and should) hold them to a higher standard than what the MSO itself offers.

    The Mini is the piece of the puzzle that TiVo was missing. The Premiere didn't scale well at $650/TV, whereas the Mini at $250/TV scales upwards a lot better.

    You can set the Mini up to not have Live TV, and DTA is coming.

    1 watt = $1/yr (roughly, calculated here in the Northeast, YMMV), so there is a little savings there.

    Not everyone is that lucky on CableCards. On Comcast they are around $7/card, unless they are in the same device.

    The Mini is not intended to replace a Premiere, and it's not intended to be mutually exclusive. If you have two big TV's, maybe you'd want an XL4 and a Premiere, and a Mini for a kitchen, basement, garage, laundry room, wherever.
     
  11. Apr 13, 2013 #71 of 111
    shwru980r

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    Customers don't own MSO equipment. The MSO can bundle their whole home systems at a reduced rate or free initially to attract customers.

    I think the mini is more closely modeled after the WMC extenders or Moxi mate, and most of those were discontinued.
     
  12. Apr 13, 2013 #72 of 111
    shwru980r

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    Yes, but cable and satellite companies are already selling an expensive service and can use the DVR as an inital loss leader and start charging at a later date once the customer is hooked.
     
  13. Apr 13, 2013 #73 of 111
    sbiller

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    Are you forgetting that the Mini is distributed via TiVo's MSO partners including Suddenlink, GCI, Grande, Evolution Digital, ...?

    Retail is secondary from a business model perspective.
     
  14. Apr 13, 2013 #74 of 111
    shwru980r

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    I thought this thread was discussing the retail version of the mini.
     
  15. Apr 13, 2013 #75 of 111
    lessd

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    It started that way but ....:D
     
  16. Apr 13, 2013 #76 of 111
    Loach

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    Cox sure as hell isn't using whole home DVR with extenders as a "loss leader" in my market.
     
  17. Apr 13, 2013 #77 of 111
    Bigg

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    Yeah, Comcast is making a pretty penny at $17/mo for the DVR, $10/mo for each additional box, and a $3 whole home DVR fee. They're probably making back the cost of the equipment is 2 years, and they have the stuff out there for a lot longer than that.
     
  18. Apr 15, 2013 #78 of 111
    shwru980r

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    I think the offers usually go to new customers or existing internet only customers. Maybe you could get a better deal if you changed providers.
     
  19. Apr 15, 2013 #79 of 111
    Bigg

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    I'm on a new sub deal with Comcast now. $94 for Blast! and every cable channel plus HBO, I own my TiVo and D3 modem.
     
  20. Apr 23, 2013 #80 of 111
    JoeTaxpayer

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    I read the Times article. The 4 tuner TiVo has the same monthly fee or lifetime fee as the 2 tuner models. Correct?
    A new buyer would quickly choose the 4 tuner/mini combo and TiVo would lose revenue, as this combination cannibalizes their own sales.
    At a flat $99/no fee, current users would have a high incentive to get rid of one box carrying the monthly fee. $13/mo plus the $8 outlet fee many cable co's provide is $21. This is a one year break even to get rid of a two tuner second tivo with the Mini sold for $250 including service. (I haven't checked what the power draw is on the regular TiVo, but cost is about $1.50 per year-watt, so for the budget conscious, I see how this adds up)

    I agree, it would have been a different PR issue to just price it at $250, period. My network is mixed, wired/wireless, and my TiVos are all lifetime service, so my numbers are a bit different. A sale of a LT Tivo would be part of the equation.
     

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